Why r/GenderCritical was banned by Reddit

[MadBadDaddy]

Hi! TRA here! Thought I'd take a quick breather from all the crowing, high-fiving, etc. to throw a lifeline to any actual open-minded critical thinkers wondering why Reddit banned r/gendercritical. Basically, you have 2 options when it comes to what to believe:

1. It's a true conspiracy: silicon valley, hollywood & the media are in the thrall of the well-funded TransAgenda, the need for woke points, child-groomers, women-haters, MRAs, etc. etc.

1. r/GenderCritical was hateful - if you want evidence then go to r/GenderCynical which existed to harvest said hatefulness. Read their strictly enforced rules about hate speech, misogyny, anti-feminism, pile-ons, doxxing, etc. (NB: abbreviating "trans exclusionary radical feminist" is not considered hate speech on this subreddit) and then sort their posts by "top" and "all time" and judge for yourself.

The trans men, trans women and non-binary people of Reddit do not hate women and do not tolerate abuse. Have a better day. x

Wow this thread has moved on.

@MadBadDaddy can I first say that I am very sorry about that twitter slur. I find it unforgivable to drag anyone’s children in.

However, let me see if I have got this straight...

1. You read something on reddit GC which hurt your feelings in regards to your experience of yourself as a woman. Therefore you believe it is a good thing that a forum which almost exclusively deals with potential consequences of legal changes (single sex spaces, girls sports, child transitioning) is shut down? Even though these comments probably were made between biological women in a space they perceived to be single sex - it wasn’t even directed at you? And even though you, yourself acknowledge that these issues are “a can of worms”?

2. This is a forum for open discussion according to MNHQ rules (So there is here a much higher requirement to watch our speech than reddit GC). You still don’t really see the big deal to joke about something many women here perceive to be a rape threat? And even though many women here actually have been raped or abused?

3. You flippantly bring Grenfell tower into this. Please don’t. I know someone who lost lots of friends there. I have spoken to a male taxi driver who couldn’t stop crying a year after the incident as so many of his family died. Grenfell was a combination a criminal disregard of regulations, incompetence and greed. Please don’t discuss this with anything but respect. The smoke bombs at the parade was unforgivable.

4. We had a long, and I though good discussion about what a woman is. I still maintain that it is biology, but did make an attempt to understand the concept socialisation which you brought up. I understand that for you it is a “feeling” which I respect. But if you feel like a woman, why do you make a remark such as “women hates poor people”? I think this is widely incorrect, especially as I believe women are more likely to be poor (someone has maybe statistics), but why would you make that remark? Do you hate poor people?

But if you feel like a woman, why do you make a remark such as “women hates poor people”? I think this is widely incorrect, especially as I believe women are more likely to be poor (someone has maybe statistics), but why would you make that remark? Do you hate poor people?

That was sarcasm. Grossly misplaced with the grenfell reference. I guess the OP hasn't learned that on this board you need to write more carefully than that. We're not silenced here but we do have to watch our words.

You could pull a muscle, reaching like that.

And yet woman is a 'feeling'.

Errol, I understand that it is sarcasm, but I don’t understand the flippancy.

I thought the whole point of OP’s thread was that the OP felt hurt by the way women spoke to each other in a place they did not expect the OP to be? And that the OP therefore was happy to shut down all dialogue of important issues?

From that point of view, I really don’t understand the joke about rape whilst discussing with women on a women forum.

I also don’t understand why the OP both consider themselves to be a woman and simultaneously makes unpleasant generalisations about women?

Finally, I feel personally that Grenfell was a tragedy and needs to be treated with respect. Regardless of where it is discussed.

We're not silenced here but we do have to watch our words

Some more than others

I work in commercial construction, so I can offer something on the subject of 'third spaces' from a purely pragmatic perspective.

This time last century it was deemed uneconomic to provide separate lavatory facilities for women, in many workplaces. In the very early 1970s a law was finally passed to make it obligatory for workplaces employing more than I think it was six people to provide separate lavatories for women. I remember the man whose apprentice I was at the time counting on his fingers, then asking us all how we felt and then (with our agreement: we held a meeting about it at the pub one lunch-time) pointing out, when the inspectors came round, that two of us were not his employees but on the contrary paying him for instruction, and so he was below the employee-limit. (And there was a rota of all the people who worked there, male and female, for keeping the lavatory clean each day. It was clean, or else he would want to know the reason why.)

Funnily enough, when the law said "do it" in 1970-whatever-it-was the money and space was found by the workplaces. The same would happen now if the law were being obeyed/enforced: floor-to-ceiling doors in mixed toilets, for example, would pretty soon be installed if a £3,000 fine were levied for every "mixed toilet" which had inadequate cubicle separation and no integral washing facility in each cubicle, every time any such toilet were reported and inspected.

CoffeeTeaChocolate
Wow this thread has moved on. Huh. Tell me about it!
Yourself and other posters have been, at the very least, civil up until now. Whether we are agreeing or disagreeing, I appreciate humanity wherever I see it, especially where the fur is flying.
Once I became painted as the icon for all trans ideology and thinking then things degenerated somewhat.
Now we are down to 'bean-counter is a feminist slur' and I feel like Al Capone. The bloody accountants did for him, too
My ridiculous comment about women hating poor people was not meant to be taken seriously but I was agog at the time at the ridiculousness of what was suddenly being thrown at me.

I'm sorry about bringing up Grenfell. I feel intense anger about what happened because I know how building engineering works and how the construction industry works. Some fuckers got richer by turning a concrete tube full of people into a plastic-wrapped Bunsen Burner (I can explain this but it's pretty grim) and everyone else looked the other way whilst gutting all that pesky 'red-tape'. It was all about penny-pinching and corner cutting and class. That was my connection with the "misogynist" term bean-counter and it triggered me and I'm sorry. I don't know anything about smoke bombs.

You read something on reddit GC which hurt your feelings in regards to your experience of yourself as a woman. Therefore you believe it is a good thing that a forum ... is shut down? I've been very careful to avoid claiming anything about what trans objectively is or isnt. Saying "I feel like a woman" is putting words in my mouth. "Trans exists, accept it or deny it" is all I'll really defend, and it takes some defending. r/GC is gone, for fair reasons or foul, and IMO it dug it's own hole because it was too committed to framing my mere existence, if nothing else, as a declaration of war on women. It's self-selecting structure meant it could never back away an inch from that position. The term 'peak trans' means the point at which individuals are reduced to stereotypes and hate becomes inevitable.

2) This is a forum for open discussion according to MNHQ rules You still don’t really see the big deal to joke about something many women here perceive to be a rape threat? And even though many women here actually have been raped or abused? I've never told anyone to suck my dick, kiss my ass or eat my shit. Whether you take things like that figuratively or literally is down to the individual. My original comment on the issue was about how I never see it on trans-reddit, and I rarely post on Twitter, and so I question how prevalent or representative it is.(I haven't followed it closely, but my understanding is that there were about 200 hateful comments to JKR out of 60,000). I'm not denying there are some sincerely hateful, targeted sentiments but "Button pushing" is a popular pastime on anonymous message boards (see the last page of comments on this board, for example) and people will say whatever they need to to provoke a response. It wasn't my intention to push anyone's button but I acknowledge my 'mixed feelings' comment was flippant and tone-deaf and I'm sorry it took the shine off a very interesting and constructive exchange x

You don't feel that perhaps 200 threatening posts telling her to perform sexual acts or saying she should be killed in unpleasant ways might be two hundred too many?

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

You don't feel that perhaps 200 threatening posts telling her to perform sexual acts or saying she should be killed in unpleasant ways might be two hundred too many?

It hasn't exactly done my lot any favours, has it?

Some more than others

Yeah... was it you who got a deletion for the word 'potato', Rufus?

Once I became painted as the icon for all trans ideology and thinking then things degenerated somewhat.

Yeah, that was never predictable in a thread which opened 'Hi! TRA here!'...

Tbh I suspect quite a few hardcore TRAs would mark you down as 'truscum' , OP, but you explicitly hitched up to that wagon.

OP, you contradict yourself. On the one hand you say Gender Critical denied your existence. But on the other you say Gender Critical was committed to framing your existence as a threat to women. They can't very well frame your existence as a threat if they don't think you exist.

I don't think you've got hostility because you are seen as a representative of trans ideology. I think it's more to do with you coming onto a gender critical space gloating and crowing about how another gender critical space got shut down, making gross and inappropriate comments about how no one asks you to suck their dick, and just generally behaving like a flippant goady troll who can dish it out but can't take it back in return. I think everyone here has been very patient with you.

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ErrolTheDragon a fair and inspiring point. I am weaponised by both sides.
I am truscum, I am TRA
I am whatever the hell they say
If I have an opinion, I'm on the front-line
So perhaps I should shut up and drink some more wine.

WeeBisom Some believe gay people don't exist, that it's a choice. Anyone who says they are gay is a liar, or ill, or a monster. That doesn't stop them framing gay people or gay ideology as a threat to anything they cared to name.
The other day someone posted old newspaper cuttings saying that Martina Navratilova was turning your daughters into lesbians.

If you run out of patience there are other threads. I'm content to self-quarantine myself here

It hasn't exactly done my lot any favours, has it?
I can't really make out which group you identify with.

Why did you repeat the post about Martina Navratilova as if its women here making derisory posts about her?

Men were concerned they would lose their right to access women's bodies. Its why they hate lesbians.

Thelnebriati (there are some awesome usernames on this site BTW)

I saw the newspaper clippings on Reddit, I wasn't aware it was posted here, I wasn't making any comment about this site or its users. To me it was simply typical Tabloid nonsense, obviously laughably outrageous now but quite sinister then, and although they might not sell newspapers any more, those beliefs haven't entirely gone away. There's a lot of comparison around the trans campfire between anti-gay campaigning of yesteryear and anti-trans campaigning today.

"Some believe gay people don't exist"

Perhaps, but that's presumably a very rare viewpoint. It's also rare that people deny that trans people exist i.e. deny that some people genuinely suffer from gender dysphoria. I guess saying that it's just a male sexual fetish may be a form of denial, but most people are going to accept it's a real condition that deserves sympathy... but not necessarily acceptance that TWAW.

There is a comparison you could make between removing the existing rights of gay people using Clause 28, and trying to remove women's rights now.

In both cases, its us supporting human rights, and another side trying to remove them.

Zinco
Rare or not it is still judged as hateful and insidious Writing all trans people off as fetishists or whatever is absolutely a form of denial. There is a lot of it about on Reddit, and r/GC, rightly or wrongly, was seen as the brightly-lit Welcome Centre.

Thelnebriati Word for word, trans people say the same thing

I don't know anything about smoke bombs

Perhaps you should keep up with what's going on over on that right side of history of yours?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8095107/Thugs-set-smoke-grenades-shadow-Grenfell-Tower-Labour-transgender-rights-row-deepens.html

...about trans rights, I mean, not about women's rights

Thelnebriati Word for word, trans people say the same thing

Yes, we know. It's a false comparison.

...about trans rights, I mean, not about women's rights
Yes, they are two different things.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I don't know anything about smoke bombs

Perhaps you should keep up with what's going on over on that right side of history of yours?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8095107/Thugs-set-smoke-grenades-shadow-Grenfell-Tower-Labour-transgender-rights-row-deepens.html

You know, I felt like shit about bringing Grenfell into this discussion and using it to make some crappy point, and I addressed it. But, having looked up the 'smokebombs' thing (I'm not turning off my ad-blocker for the Daily Heil, so I had to find other sources), I have to say I'm pretty unimpressed with feminists doing the same thing and using a tragedy for similarly weak reasons. I'm not surprised I'd never heard of it.