Womb transplants for TW 'possible'.

[MouthBreathingRage]

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-woman-should-allowed-womb-22270768

It feels a bit... Frankenstein's Monster type science. Surely this is unethical at best? Will women be given the option to 'opt out' of donation to a science experiment?

It's ethically revolting, never mind the practicalities.

The female body is 'designed' to carry and nurture the foetus, the male body is not.

I'm not a doctor or scientist, but I had thought that the ability to grow and nurture a baby in utero was more of a female process than just owning a womb. The whole thing feels a bit Arnold Schwarzzeneger in that god-awful Junior film.

The tactic here is to draw people into a debate about the practical difficulties, even if that's to conclude that as things stand now it's not possible. As soon as people are drawn into this debate, at one level they are acknowledging the concept of men being pregnant and giving birth.

Meanwhile, trans activists put in zero effort and continue to spread around the idea that men's and women's bodies are theoretically interchangeable, which is apparently being supported by gender critical people debating the issue of men having wombs.

It's unethical and immoral - both to the TW and any foetus implanted in her.

Just a cursory consideration of this idea reveals it to be nonsense.

So a male has a uterine transplant. How then is the fertilised ovum introduced into that uterus? You can't implant through a surgical incision because the uterine wall would not have enough time to appropriately heal before the weight and size of the baby would pressurise it.

So you would be looking at implanting both a uterus, cervix and a vagina. And how the hell are you going to stitch a vaginal opening into the outer dermis of a male body? And plumb the whole lot in?

This stuff is Frankensteinian.

hopefully whatever lucrative pot of research funding is in question will go towards improving the scientific understanding of pregnancy, which is as poorly understood as every other aspect of female biology

Oh bless your sweet soul

I can lay bets that every single woman in this thread has their own gynecology / maternity horror story to tell, and I'll double it for any woman who wasn't taken seriously.

As long as the medical profession treat women like we're men without dicks our healthcare will never be taken seriously and you'll get chancers like this doctor giving confused people impossible dreams.

Apart from being physically impossible its ethically wrong on so many levels it should never be taken seriously, this doctor is a plastic surgeon not a gynecologist and its financially expedient for him talk about this being a realistic possibility.

So a plastic surgeon thinks he can control or bypass the delicately balanced endocrinology and immunology which allows a healthy pregnancy to persist and survive and produce a healthy baby at the end?

I’d be extremely dubious about this. As PP have said, we don’t have all the answers regarding causes of miscarriage and birth defects, the effects of micro plastics or hormones in drinking water, fetal alcohol syndrome, thalidomide, Zika virus etc so who knows what the effects of a hormone battle between male hormones and exogenous hormones might cause.

In medicine isn’t the basic theory first do no harm? It’s one thing to try to cure a diagnosed disease of an existing biological process. Quite another to engineer something so counter-natural. Using human fetuses as the guinea pigs. It’s disgusting when you think about it.

Also, in the aims of not discriminating, why would a man even need to claim to be a tw, could a gay couple push for this too? So they’d get the only bit of a surrogate they needed, without the human being attached?

Meanwhile women and babies die in some parts of the world for want of a midwife or some antibiotics.

To me this seems very parallel to the reductive thinking evidenced in discussions about artificial wombs covered in another thread. Both the idea of womb transplants into male bodies, and artificial wombs outside of bodies, reduces female bodies to "vessels that contain wombs". But the body and the womb aren't separable; it isn't just the womb that does the job of growing and nurturing a child!

Packing soap. Surgical intro- uterine embryo transfer is successfully done in dog breeding (although now illegal in U.K. as in-necessary procedure)

“Just looking at the potential number of trans females who might seek uterine transplantation surgery and it’s abundantly clear it could become a vital medical service."

This is such shitty logic. Tons of people get nose jobs not for medical reasons but just because they don't like their noses. Does that make nose jobs a vital medical service?

Sorry, not sure what’s going on with predictive text today

I've struggled through hayfever for 6 years whilst breastfeeding my kids because antihistamines affect milk supply but there trying to say they can 'plug' in a womb.

I have close friends who have struggled with infertility to the point that if I died and my womb could be transplanted into a women to assist a pregnancy I have no problem with that but I will opt out because I hate the idea of being part of someone's vanity project that will inevitability lead to suffering.

It's like someone trying to play Mr Potato Head with real organs, just creepy as fuck.

As long as the medical profession treat women like we're men without dicks our healthcare will never be taken seriously and you'll get chancers like this doctor giving confused people impossible dreams.

Oh, sure, but what I mean is that since men's feelings are more important than women's lives, as we all know, perhaps research into how men can get pregnant to gratify their feelings will end up increasing the medical understanding of pregnancy faster than any boring concerns about women's health and wellbeing.

I wanted to use another word starting with fe, but feared deletion.

And as with donating eggs: I withhold consent of donating any reproductive tissue. I won't assist the creation of a child with my body that I cannot assure the care and wellbeing of.

I didn't think there was an option to opt out for donating your uterus? I don't think it's on the list.

Exactly, Michelle. If my eggs are used then that is my child, and I cannot and will not allow that potential child to be brought into existence without my having any ability to ensure that they'll be OK.

I think a womb transplant could be possible but not workable

I think it would just be an organ shoved in there that doesn’t really do anything

Wasn't that what killed Lily Elbe?

I struggle to understand why someone would go to such lengths to have a baby. I appreciate that it’s a natural urge etc etc but honestly it seems like madness to undergo an organ transplant just so that you can destroy your body having a child when you could adopt one or use a commercial surrogate if you insist on having one that’s related to you.

I almost wonder if this isn’t about pregnancy but menstruation/feeling like a woman etc...

Just taking the whole thing a stage further... if commercial surrogacy and egg donation is a thing in some parts of a world, It’s not outside the realms of imagination to imagine the trade in vulnerable women’s uteri.

I’m usually found vehemently disagreeing with the majority that’s said here with regards to trans issues, however, transplanting a uterus that would potentially not be rejected means there is a risk of uterine cancers, fibroids, other growths and infections.

For many women the first signs that there may be any internal issues with their reproductive organs is abnormal bleeding or discharge, which TW obviously wouldn’t have. By the time any medical issue is noticed it may be too late, plus any attempt to rectify the issue via surgery would be far more intrusive and serious (via abdominal access).

This really does some a potentially dangerous and ultimately pointless exercise.

That's a fair point @Kantastic over 2000 years of humanity and we still don't know why most miscarriages and still births are so common place.

It's just a terrible idea. Surgery should always involve an assessment of relative risks. Things like triple bypass surgery or kidney transplants are worth doing because the risk of not doing them is even higher than the risk of doing them. The "risk" of not doing this is that some transwomen may feel a bit disappointed, and the risk of doing it is that it might kill them. And that's before you even get into the question of how women feel about having our body parts used that way.