Lloyd Russell Moyle back-pedals furiously

[merrymouse]

twitter.com/lloyd_rm

But this wasn't just an ill thought out spur of the moment tweet.

This was an article in a magazine.

He wrote:

"Recently, of course, we saw people like JK Rowling using her own sexual assault as justification for discriminating against a group of people who were not responsible for it."

He has asked for that quote to be removed, but the article was posted several days ago. Apparently now that people are asking for his removal from the front bench, he sees his error.

If Labour keep him then they are effectively saying ‘if we were in government this is what it would look like, this is the level of respect we would show abused women’.

Absolutely and Labour have shown over and over again that they don't think women's rights should be protected or that girls should have dignity, privacy and safety in schools or elsewhere.

I am listening, as long as people like this are in the Labour party, particularly in positions of power, I will NEVER vote Labour. NEVER.

The Tories are awful, and their response to coronavirus has been dreadful. However, I'm betting that it's been slightly better than a party that says that biological sex doesn't exist and science and facts don't matter. If they were in power, if they stuck to their ideology they'd probably try to identify coronavirus out of existence (bit like Trump, but more woke). Then run around wailing about the phobia of the virus killing more men than women (and ignoring their gender identity, transphobic coronavirus).

That thread is really strange. (Not sure about easiest way to cut and paste from twitter but OJ is quote tweeting the bottom tweet).

mobile.twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1277193603627061248

"One of the many problems with anti-trans activists is they relentlessly make up lies about their opponents.

People's sexual partners are (obviously!) their own decisions and nobody else's; I've never claimed otherwise. Look how wild this is.
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Shambolic Neutral #IStandWithJKRowling
@BradfemlyWalsh
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Remember when Little Owen Jones told lesbians it was transphobic not to do dick but then called them homophobic and offensive for asking him if he'd perform cunnilingus? I wonder what he thinks now that his TRA chums state that gay men who won't fuck vaginas are transphobes?"

Meanwhile:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53181342

"For York, this means not simply celebrating how far the movement has come, but instead examining how far it has to go. Black trans people in particular are navigating the ever-present threat of assault or harassment by simply "taking a cab, or going to a restaurant... particularly if they are not cis passing."
And this discrimination also extends to transphobic preferences in the dating world: from cisgender gay men not wanting to date trans men, to the routine fetishisation of trans women."

Bradfemly Walsh might be using rather graphic language, but essentially this BBC report is indeed saying that cisgender men who will not date trans men have transphobic dating preferences.

I can't work out if men like Owen Jones are just so deeply misogynist that the thought of something affecting women (as this issue does) just does not reach their radar, or if they know it affects women but they just don't care.

I wonder if he will work it out by the end of the day and delete his tweets?

Or would that be a step too far because he would have to concede that JKR was defending women's sex based rights?

Shadow Minister for Natural Environment and Air Quality’
Time to open the window and get rid of the stink.

Hot air?

@JackiF

Shadow Minister for Natural Environment and Air Quality’ Time to open the window and get rid of the stink.

Bit ironic to appoint a little fart to monitor air quality........

He does seem a particularly horrible sort of person and a wally too
I bet keir would love to ger rid of him.
Wonder if he will take the opportunity.
You can't come down hard on anti semitism and then not do the same for misogyny

I think he’ll be fired from the front bench tomorrow morning
Well I've sent starmer an email saying that he should in fact fire lloyd RM and while hes at the helm of the LP possibly just for once in ever, put women first.

Hopefully others have done similar and he takes on board that we are getting more than a little pissed off at being last in the queue for everything.

It's so interesting watching these men struggle with what to do when women say 'no'. They literally don't know what to do, so the only thing they can do is to frame them as 'bad people'.

As a total aside, I do wish people would stop referring to these alleged tweets about OJ saying it was transphobic for a lesbian not to want to suck dick, when they don't have screenshots. I have heard lots about these tweets but I have never seen the screenshots myself, and I think it discredits the argument a bit as it makes it look like women are making stuff up. Having said that, if OJ thinks transmen are actually men, then logically he would have no problem with having a sexual relationship with someone with a female body, so it doesn't actually really matter what he said. But I do prefer stuff with receipts.

we are getting more than a little pissed off at being last in the queue for everything.

Oh, I'm beyond pissed off. I'm entering that weirdly calm phase.

So Owen Jones now thinks that misogyny and anti Semitism is ok. I am on the left of the Labour Party but I really despair at some of the people involved. Some things are indefensible, even more so when it comes from our elected representatives.

I hope Lloyd Russell-Vole gets chucked out at the next election. Someone with that attitude to women has no role making laws.

How can the public have confidence that he views women who have talked about their assaults, in order to bring about changes to the law, as anything other than exploiters.

Wonder how he felt about Rosie Duffield's speech a few months ago about her experience of domestic abuse?

I'm increasingly liking Keir Starmer. I think he was right to let RLB go and the froth I'm seeing on social media howling about this is really pathetic. A mistake was made (she really must learn to read things properly before endorsing them) compounded by a faux apology. She's been demoted, not sacked. She's relatively new to politics and given time may well return to the front bench.
I am heartened by what seems to be firm leadership at the helm of the Labour Party.
This thread is also encouraging, misogynistic MP retracts foul comments and apologises. His apology, even if he isn't sacked sets a tone. This is good.

LRM is an MP for Brighton Kemptown. His constituents are probably going to agree with him.

Wonder how he felt about Rosie Duffield's speech a few months ago about her experience of domestic abuse?

Blah, blah, women, something, blah, it's so unfair that male Labour MPs have to pretend to be interested in this.

I imagine.

I’ve emailed Keir Starmer about this, I live in Brighton, not in LRMs constituency thankfully

He cannot leave him in the shadow cabinet after this, he’s vile at the best of times, this has pushed him right over the edge into completely unacceptable.

@BovaryX

You know the rules. Full cancellation and unpersoning. Pack your stuff

It's interesting, isn't it? Those issuing the denunciation orders imagine it doesn't apply to them. If they had any historical knowledge, it might give them pause....

Like Saturn, the Revolution devours its children

Indeed.

"You'll follow us shortly, your house will be beaten down and salt sown in the place where it stood!"

Have you seen the death of Stalin? I am increasingly thinking that real like is turning into that film.

Have you seen the death of Stalin? I am increasingly thinking that real like is turning into that film.

It's my favourite film, but then I did spend a lot of time at union meetings, which resembled the Central Committee.

Zhukov at an LRM surgery, by heck.

JKR tweeting about this at the moment.

twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1277263814552100866?s=09

For those who are twitter averse. JKR:

1. Today I discovered that I was accused of hate by shadow environment minister Lloyd Russell-Moyle in the pages of

*@tribunemagazine*. He claimed I was ‘using’ my experiences of sexual assault and domestic violence to ‘discriminate’ against trans people.

1. This morning, Mr Russell-Moyle issued an apology on Twitter, although he didn’t trouble to tag me in. Coincidentally, his change of heart occurred after his remarks were repeated in national newspapers with higher circulations than

*@tribunemagazine*

1. For those who’d like to know what triggered the shadow minister’s original accusation, these are the relevant paragraphs of the essay I wrote a couple of weeks ago. The full piece can be read here bit.ly/386iUOs

1. Since writing my essay, I’ve received over 3000 emails thanking me for speaking up. I’ve been brought to tears many times while reading, sometimes out of gratitude for their kindness, but also because many women have shared their own experiences of violence & sexual assault.

1. Some emails came from professionals working in women’s refuges, the prison service, the social work system, the criminal justice system and the police. All expressed concerns about the aims and methods of current trans activism.

1. As I stated in my essay, my primary worry is the risks to vulnerable women. As everyone knows, I’m no longer reliant on communal facilities, nor am I likely to be imprisoned or need a women's refuge any time soon. I’m not arguing for the privileged, but the powerless.

1. When so-called leftists like *@lloyd*_rm demand that we give up our hard won sex-based rights, they align themselves squarely with men’s rights activists. To both groups, female trauma is white noise, an irrelevance, or else exaggerated or invented. bit.ly/2BIPTMK

1. Andrea Dworkin wrote: ‘Men often react to women’s words—speaking and writing—as if they were acts of violence; sometimes men react to women’s words with violence.’ It isn't hateful for women speak about their own experiences, nor do they deserve shaming for doing so.

1. I accept *@lloyd*_rm 's apology in the hope that he’ll dig a little deeper than hashtags and slogans. He might then understand why increasing numbers of people are deeply concerned about

@UKLabour’s position on women’s rights.

I suspect that RLM has just discovered that in a battle of words he’s brought a pointy stick to a gun fight

Just when you think you can’t love JKR anymore this happens. I am so pleased that she read some of the emails. I sent one where I told of my story of abuse. I am glad she has got so much support.

I do hope that this is the start of the fight back. I will email Keir Starmer.

I suspect that RLM has just discovered that in a battle of words he’s brought a pointy stick to a gun fight

And seemingly it’s not the first time his witlessness has been so publicly apparent:

mobile.twitter.com/mattforde/status/1277176813836554240