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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Allison Bailey to sue Stonewall

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OhHolyJesus · 27/06/2020 08:20

There is a crowdfunder so I won't share the link but here a part of the text. It's long but brilliant and this isn't the half of it. Off to find my wallet...

The new trans activism: all scrutiny and critical voices labelled ‘transphobic’

In early 2018, when I first heard that plans were underway to make the lives of trans people easier, my reaction was that this was a good thing and I did not give it a second thought. I kept coming across the term ‘TERF’ but ignored it. I thought that bigots were simply being called out.

Then one day I clicked on a link: terfisaslur.com where someone had collated the online abuse that was being directed at women who I realised had entirely valid concerns and questions about the wisdom of replacing sex with gender.
I learnt that the new trans activism wants to smash the distinctions between men and women; replacing sex with notions of gender identity; making sexual difference a matter of self identification; and demands that any and every man that wishes to identify as a woman must be allowed to do so.
I learnt that the new trans activism is focusing, inexplicably, on young children and declaring them ‘trans’; treating puberty as a disease to be blocked with powerful drugs; delivering our young people into the arms of a multi-million pound industry of big pharmaceutical companies and plastic surgeons.
I saw that the same males who would have society regard them as women, were quick to brandish knives, axes, baseball bats and nooses, as they threatened with rape women who questioned the wisdom of replacing sex with gender —TERFs.
I realised that the new trans activism operated a crude but effective system of punishment and reward: agree with every demand of the trans lobby and be safe; object and face vilification, abuse, boycott, character assassination and cancellation.
I was horrified (and terrified).
I wanted to look away, to pretend that I had not seen it; that it did not reveal the worst woman-hating, lesbian hating, misogyny that I have ever come across in my lifetime.
I did not look away and I urge others not to either. Thanks to brave women who have come before me, such as the late, great, Magdalen Berns, whose courage and no nonsense approach to calling out the new trans activism as the men’s rights movement it so clearly is, gave me courage.
I realised that I did not have to accept that any man can claim to be legally a woman, without having to undergo any hormone or surgical intervention, psychological evaluation or risk assessment.
I realised that it was okay and necessary to say that it is reckless and naive to think that men will only identify as women if they are stunning and brave and harmless: that the wicked, abusive, predatory, unwell and downright cantankerous will, by some miracle, refuse to take advantage of free and easy access to women, to their politics, safe spaces, sports, legal protections and identities.
I was shocked to discover that significant numbers of male sex offenders are permitted to identify as women and nothing is being done to stop them. In England and Wales, some 40 per cent or more of trans identified males in the prison population are men with convictions for sex offences, including rape and possession of the most serious indecent images of children. I read a steady stream of news reports from around the world of males who identify as women committing serious sex offences.
It is repugnant to me and wholly unacceptable, and frankly unbelievable, that the new trans activism demands that sex crimes committed by males who identify as women are recorded as having been committed by women; and that these males can demand to be referred to by female pronouns.
I discovered that women incarcerated in prison are left vulnerable to serious sexual assault and mental anguish, as males, including sex offenders, are locked up with them. The new trans activism demands that a man’s desire to identify as a woman is more important than the right of imprisoned women to safety and dignity. These women have no way to escape, no choice, they are locked up. I do not see how this is anything other than state facilitated abuse and mental torture.
Where there should have been discussion, investigation and inquiry, there has been the silencing of concerned and critical voices; not voices from the far right, but from women like me, who are of and from the progressive left.
Mantras have been chanted because the new trans activism is a movement that cannot bear scrutiny: TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN; TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS; TRANS PEOPLE ARE WHO THEY SAY THEY ARE; PROTECT OUR TRANS SIBLINGS, and so on, do nothing to engage with and address the serious concerns that exist about replacing sex with gender.
The new trans activists are joined by politicians, journalists, lawyers, writers, entire organisations, and assorted celebrities, in the chanting of these mantras to shut down debate, while others who are appalled at what they see happening are too afraid to speak out. It is cult like behaviour, it is Orwellian, and it has disgraced and shamed a generation.
Labelling all critical voices ‘transphobic’ is a cynical political ploy of the new trans activism. It must be resisted.

Surviving child sexual abuse: understanding that women and girls are oppressed because of their sex and not their gender identity
The man who sexually abused me as a 9 year old little girl; the man who targeted my single-parent mother; the man who told me that I could trust him whilst he slipped drugs into my orange squash to render me helpless as he sexually assaulted me, was tried and convicted of multiple sexual assaults against me in 2015, and sentenced to 10 years imprisonment. He was released from prison last month (May 2020) to serve out the rest of his sentence on licence.

I make this disclosure now because I feel compelled to stand in solidarity with other women with similar experiences of male physical and sexual violence. It is not weaponising trauma to say so, any more than recounting racist abuse is.

We must not allow men or women to bury, minimise and ignore the visceral reality of male violence. We must not allow the new trans activism to force survivors back into the closet; this would be an abuser’s charter.

It should be a cause of great alarm that the new trans activism takes such a regressive and shaming attitude to disclosures of abuse. This culture of denial and belittling has been the bedrock and the hallmark of every abuse scandal. It is a red flag that signals a safeguarding catastrophe in the making.
It is women like me whose lives have been torn apart and seriously blighted by wanton acts of male violence that know that men are often not who they say they are or claim to be.
I know that conflating sex with notions of gender identity will leave women with no legally enforceable boundaries against any man.

I know that if the new trans activism is not brought to heel, women will disappear as a political class.

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MingeofDeath · 30/06/2020 12:41

@ StandUpStraight

Disgusted of Manchester is hilarious. They just plop in with "is transphobic" without ever saying why. typical TRA

crumpet · 30/06/2020 13:41

Not had my £5 refunded yet, as far as I can see. I’ll be adding it to my second donation to Allison in any event.

StandUpStraight · 30/06/2020 13:48

@MingeofDeath I know! Given that they get taken apart by other Times readers every single time they post utter nonsense, I often wonder if they should receive some kind of special TRA award for persistence.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 30/06/2020 13:56

Imagine what it would've been up to by now. Thousands of us putting our own money in to show support for Allison and shining a spotlight on Stonewall.

How fast she hit the target proves the resistance if far greater than they like to pretend it is.

nauticant · 30/06/2020 14:22

I suspect it's cock-up rather than conspiracy and is coming from a company climate of cowardice in a broader climate of fear. However, the way it's played out looks indistinguishable from a deliberate attempt by CJ to sabotage the fundraiser to prevent "too much" money from being raised.

loveyouradvice · 30/06/2020 23:24

Otherwise it is simple. CJ are a small neutral organisation whose only role is to collect money on behalf of people who have a case that courts will hear, and to pay it onto lawyers. Even if they are deluged with emails etc from supporters of a non-statutory body the answer is clear. Let the courts decide. However it seems that someone is twisting their arms quite effectively.

Hmmm.... very bad for their reputation if this gets out... CJ is SUCH a great website - so simple, such a great idea - PLEASE JUST DO WHAT YOU SAY ON THE TIN and leave the courts to decide

StandUpStraight · 30/06/2020 23:34

I have donated reasonable amounts to a couple of CJ hosted funds in the last couple of days and have withheld the tip each time. I imagine anyone donating to GC related cases is doing the same. I wonder how much money they are losing as a result of this debacle.

prolefeed · 01/07/2020 00:30

I messaged them again. Can’t hurt. 🤷‍♀️

BirdyCheepCheep · 01/07/2020 08:26

No reply to my message from the weekend yet.

Xanthangum · 01/07/2020 09:05

Jo Bartosch on AB's experience and what it means is in Spiked: www.spiked-online.com/2020/06/30/the-woke-war-on-lesbians/

"The fact that people have to resort to crowdfunding in order to protect their rights makes it quite clear which groups in society actually have power."

SophocIestheFox · 01/07/2020 09:07

I emailed again first thing. I was very polite. But firm Grin

thisonebreath · 01/07/2020 09:15

I've messaged again. Still no reply.

SecretMillionaire · 01/07/2020 09:53

Has anyone not had their donation taken from their account? I made my donation on Saturday with an email acknowledgment from Crowdjustice but it’s still not been taken from my bank account.

KatieAlcock · 01/07/2020 09:54

I get my weekly transfer email on a Wednesday and the small amount this week shows me that it's last week's donations (given how much it's gone up this week). There's a note to say it can take 7 days to process.

Sexnotgender · 01/07/2020 10:00

@SecretMillionaire

Has anyone not had their donation taken from their account? I made my donation on Saturday with an email acknowledgment from Crowdjustice but it’s still not been taken from my bank account.
I just checked and I haven’t 😏 I can’t remember if it was pending or not.
LastTrainEast · 01/07/2020 10:05

I just checked mine and no it has not gone through. I made mine moments before they closed it the first time.

Sexnotgender · 01/07/2020 10:10

@LastTrainEast

I just checked mine and no it has not gone through. I made mine moments before they closed it the first time.
I made mine ages before it closed. Fundraiser was at about £20/30k when I donated.

Very suspicious.

WanderinWomb · 01/07/2020 10:21

CrowdJustice could throw their neutral strance and therefore whole business down the drain to appease Stonewall.

Nothing could illustrate more everyone's concerns about Stonewalls unhealthy grip on UK legal system more.

Not impressed.

My money has not left my account either.

Xanthangum · 01/07/2020 10:31

It's win-win isn't it?

Unless all those round-tables were absolutely above board, no question of any undue influence from Stonewall, and Allison was completely mistaken, in which case, oh well.

But given her statement, and the speed of the donations being a proxy for the strength of feeling right now (that is, hugely angry about Stonewall's seeming omnipotence and tendency to bully), Stonewall and their allies can either bully CJ/ the courts to try to stop this case proceeding - thereby proving the point - or be shown to be bullies in court.

There are too many people watching you now Stonewall.

ChurchOfWokeApostate · 01/07/2020 10:40

The fact that no money has left peoples accounts is quite sinister, it doesn’t usually take that long does it

Needmoresleep · 01/07/2020 10:47

I really worry though. If fairly simple processes like CJ can be put under pressure, what about the court process.

We had the very strange Maya decision. I assume Allison's will be another employment court one, where judges have a certain amount of leeway in choosing their own cases. We have Stonewall advising on court and police procedures. We have the Stonewall chair in a Senior position with a Government Regulator. (Thanks goodness Chambers are not regulated by the FCA. However many large employers are.)

Tentacles are everywhere.

Does Liz Truss have the ovaries of steel she will need to start protecting women and children and to roll some of this back?

LastTrainEast · 01/07/2020 10:52

I think with some kinds of crowd funding the money is only taken if the target is reached, but even if this were set up like that the target was reached and so was the stretch target. So I don't see how this can be right.

I've emailed them about mine with a request to reinstate the whole thing. Of course there is opposition. Every court case has a side that doesn't want it to go to court.

endofthelinefinally · 01/07/2020 10:52

I made a few donations on the same day. The others have gone out. Not this one. This is really disturbing and I wonder if we should write to Liz Truss. Is there any other body or organisation that would be interested in this sort of behaviour?

endofthelinefinally · 01/07/2020 10:54

I have experience of the FCA. Absolutely useless.

RoyalCorgi · 01/07/2020 11:02

Needmoresleep: you are absolutely right, unfortunately. The justice system has been comprehensively captured. It's not just Maya's case: think too about the perverse decision to convict Kate Scottowe for her tweets attacking Hayden, or the judge in Maria MacLachlan's case insisting she refer to the man who attacked her as "she".

It's what worries me most about Allison Bailey's case - that it will be heard by a judge who has been Stonewalled.