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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Allison Bailey to sue Stonewall

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OhHolyJesus · 27/06/2020 08:20

There is a crowdfunder so I won't share the link but here a part of the text. It's long but brilliant and this isn't the half of it. Off to find my wallet...

The new trans activism: all scrutiny and critical voices labelled ‘transphobic’

In early 2018, when I first heard that plans were underway to make the lives of trans people easier, my reaction was that this was a good thing and I did not give it a second thought. I kept coming across the term ‘TERF’ but ignored it. I thought that bigots were simply being called out.

Then one day I clicked on a link: terfisaslur.com where someone had collated the online abuse that was being directed at women who I realised had entirely valid concerns and questions about the wisdom of replacing sex with gender.
I learnt that the new trans activism wants to smash the distinctions between men and women; replacing sex with notions of gender identity; making sexual difference a matter of self identification; and demands that any and every man that wishes to identify as a woman must be allowed to do so.
I learnt that the new trans activism is focusing, inexplicably, on young children and declaring them ‘trans’; treating puberty as a disease to be blocked with powerful drugs; delivering our young people into the arms of a multi-million pound industry of big pharmaceutical companies and plastic surgeons.
I saw that the same males who would have society regard them as women, were quick to brandish knives, axes, baseball bats and nooses, as they threatened with rape women who questioned the wisdom of replacing sex with gender —TERFs.
I realised that the new trans activism operated a crude but effective system of punishment and reward: agree with every demand of the trans lobby and be safe; object and face vilification, abuse, boycott, character assassination and cancellation.
I was horrified (and terrified).
I wanted to look away, to pretend that I had not seen it; that it did not reveal the worst woman-hating, lesbian hating, misogyny that I have ever come across in my lifetime.
I did not look away and I urge others not to either. Thanks to brave women who have come before me, such as the late, great, Magdalen Berns, whose courage and no nonsense approach to calling out the new trans activism as the men’s rights movement it so clearly is, gave me courage.
I realised that I did not have to accept that any man can claim to be legally a woman, without having to undergo any hormone or surgical intervention, psychological evaluation or risk assessment.
I realised that it was okay and necessary to say that it is reckless and naive to think that men will only identify as women if they are stunning and brave and harmless: that the wicked, abusive, predatory, unwell and downright cantankerous will, by some miracle, refuse to take advantage of free and easy access to women, to their politics, safe spaces, sports, legal protections and identities.
I was shocked to discover that significant numbers of male sex offenders are permitted to identify as women and nothing is being done to stop them. In England and Wales, some 40 per cent or more of trans identified males in the prison population are men with convictions for sex offences, including rape and possession of the most serious indecent images of children. I read a steady stream of news reports from around the world of males who identify as women committing serious sex offences.
It is repugnant to me and wholly unacceptable, and frankly unbelievable, that the new trans activism demands that sex crimes committed by males who identify as women are recorded as having been committed by women; and that these males can demand to be referred to by female pronouns.
I discovered that women incarcerated in prison are left vulnerable to serious sexual assault and mental anguish, as males, including sex offenders, are locked up with them. The new trans activism demands that a man’s desire to identify as a woman is more important than the right of imprisoned women to safety and dignity. These women have no way to escape, no choice, they are locked up. I do not see how this is anything other than state facilitated abuse and mental torture.
Where there should have been discussion, investigation and inquiry, there has been the silencing of concerned and critical voices; not voices from the far right, but from women like me, who are of and from the progressive left.
Mantras have been chanted because the new trans activism is a movement that cannot bear scrutiny: TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN; TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS; TRANS PEOPLE ARE WHO THEY SAY THEY ARE; PROTECT OUR TRANS SIBLINGS, and so on, do nothing to engage with and address the serious concerns that exist about replacing sex with gender.
The new trans activists are joined by politicians, journalists, lawyers, writers, entire organisations, and assorted celebrities, in the chanting of these mantras to shut down debate, while others who are appalled at what they see happening are too afraid to speak out. It is cult like behaviour, it is Orwellian, and it has disgraced and shamed a generation.
Labelling all critical voices ‘transphobic’ is a cynical political ploy of the new trans activism. It must be resisted.

Surviving child sexual abuse: understanding that women and girls are oppressed because of their sex and not their gender identity
The man who sexually abused me as a 9 year old little girl; the man who targeted my single-parent mother; the man who told me that I could trust him whilst he slipped drugs into my orange squash to render me helpless as he sexually assaulted me, was tried and convicted of multiple sexual assaults against me in 2015, and sentenced to 10 years imprisonment. He was released from prison last month (May 2020) to serve out the rest of his sentence on licence.

I make this disclosure now because I feel compelled to stand in solidarity with other women with similar experiences of male physical and sexual violence. It is not weaponising trauma to say so, any more than recounting racist abuse is.

We must not allow men or women to bury, minimise and ignore the visceral reality of male violence. We must not allow the new trans activism to force survivors back into the closet; this would be an abuser’s charter.

It should be a cause of great alarm that the new trans activism takes such a regressive and shaming attitude to disclosures of abuse. This culture of denial and belittling has been the bedrock and the hallmark of every abuse scandal. It is a red flag that signals a safeguarding catastrophe in the making.
It is women like me whose lives have been torn apart and seriously blighted by wanton acts of male violence that know that men are often not who they say they are or claim to be.
I know that conflating sex with notions of gender identity will leave women with no legally enforceable boundaries against any man.

I know that if the new trans activism is not brought to heel, women will disappear as a political class.

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charlestonchaplin · 01/07/2020 11:10

Considering the silence from all parties, I suspect they are trying to settle out of court, in which case some or all of the funds raised will likely be refunded. It may not be what people want to hear, but going to court should always be a last resort. No outcome is guaranteed and there may be a emotional/psychological toll.

purpleboy · 01/07/2020 11:12
  • I'm really excited to see how many people have been taking an interest in my case these past few days too! It's a shame it's taken this cowardly action to bring it to attention. Lockdown has been a time for my son to do some of his Scouting badges but my daughter, who should have been in Rainbows, hasn't had this. I've been watching friends' daughters do badges and have Zoom meetings and at-home sleepovers.*

Just donated. Thank you for standing up for us.

purpleboy · 01/07/2020 11:12

Sorry should of said that was donated to @KatieAlcock

WanderinWomb · 01/07/2020 11:17

There may be discussions now about settling out of court but that is not related to CrowdJustice behaviour at weekend.

They froze a funder, removed it's text and made it unsearchable due to 'complaints' over the weekend. How can anyone now fundraise without worrying their opposition won't complain and their access to justice be denied?

I'm not sure CrowdJustice can survive this. I don't trust them anymore and won't get a penny from me until they sort it.

JKRismyhero · 01/07/2020 11:23

I just donated to Katie. It's not much but anything helps, right?

MoltenLasagne · 01/07/2020 12:00

I donated to Katie's fundraiser the day after I donated to Allison after Allison's was closed. The money for Katie has been taken from my account but I've not even got a pending transaction for Allison's. This feels incredibly questionable.

KatieAlcock · 01/07/2020 12:07

Gosh, that is concerning, molten

theendoftheendoftheend · 01/07/2020 12:12

I shared this on FB and was thoroughly 'educated' and roundly told off for encouraging the hurt caused within the 'queer' community with these 'transphobic' thoughts. Confused

Sexnotgender · 01/07/2020 12:14

I check my bank account every day and I’m struggling to recall seeing a pending transaction for this.

Everything about it feels wrong.

Shedbuilder · 01/07/2020 12:25

Well done, Theendof!

twoHopes · 01/07/2020 12:26

I made a few donations on the same day. The others have gone out. Not this one.

Just checked mine and it's not gone out either. What's going on? I hope Allison can give us an update soon as this is getting rather dystopian now.

charlestonchaplin · 01/07/2020 12:30

There may be discussions now about settling out of court but that is not related to CrowdJustice behaviour at weekend.

They froze a funder, removed it's text and made it unsearchable due to 'complaints' over the weekend. How can anyone now fundraise without worrying their opposition won't complain and their access to justice be denied?

I agree.

Xenia · 01/07/2020 12:47

Most cases settle out of court in the UK - about 90% where someone sues settle and that is a good thing about the system (not a bad thing).

It used to be very risky to fund someone's litigation in English law - it was called "champerty" and if the person lost the case everyone who funded it was liable for both side's costs etc so litigation funding is certainly a fairly new thing in terms of crowd funding in the UK. It can also be a can of worms as unlike with clear registered charities and companies sometimes it is not clear what the entity is people are funding - eg UK BLM does not seem to be a registered anything. I suspect the whole industry needs a bit of an update with more regulation.

The power of those with the loudest voices to censor either comments on websites most of which just respond to complaints rather than have time to look into the issues very much or rights to sell or raise funds on line is a big issue particularly in internet areas where there are only a few players so being rejected by twitter or facebook (or banned from Amazon or Ebay has such huge implications).

Thinkofanumber · 01/07/2020 14:40

Allison has put an update on Twitter, sorry, I can’t work out how to link.

DadOnIce · 01/07/2020 14:49

I just don't get why she can't campaign for LGB people without Trans people. They're surely totally separate things. When I was at university we had Lesbian & Gay Soc, which at some point became LGB Society, but when and how did the T get appended? Logical thought says it is about a totally different thing. LGB is about who you are romantically and sexually attracted to. T is about 'identity'. If I were a trans person I'd want trans people to have their own charity, and their own fundraising and promotional groups, specifically devoted to them. LGBT seems like the RNIB suddenly deciding that they're not just going to work on behalf of the blind and visually-impaired, they're also going to include deaf and hearing-impaired people too. (Sorry if that is an inappropriate comparison but I was struggling to find a good analogy.)

WanderinWomb · 01/07/2020 14:51

Update thread :

mobile.twitter.com/BluskyeAllison/status/1278317988429561857

Imnobody4 · 01/07/2020 14:52

twitter.com/BluskyeAllison/status/1278317988429561857?s=19
Here's the link, sorry it's very lengthy so can't give content easily. I'm beyond furious, can't really speak coherently at the moment.

WanderinWomb · 01/07/2020 14:57

Snap.

Worth reading. Would love some of out legal bods to summarise.

Thinkofanumber · 01/07/2020 14:58

Thank you all for doing the link.

I felt really angry once I’d read it, if Allison crowdfunds elsewhere I’ll be donating.

mateysmum · 01/07/2020 15:01

CJ's response is utterly chilling.
Suddenly claiming Allison's text was firstly "discriminatory", then having back tracked on using that word they settled for "offensive". They are basically judging the case themselves before it gets to court.

Apparently it is offensive of "high severity" to state FACTS about the number of trans identifying male prisoners who are sex offender

Shame on you CrowdJustice - cowardly and disgusting behaviour.

So now the funding of justice is denied on the basis of "wrong think".

Datun · 01/07/2020 15:06

This is absolutely insane.

A site dedicated to allowing people to raise funds to fight injustice, and in this particular case the silencing of women, is silencing the women who are doing it!

Somebody has taken down Terf is a slur. And crowd justice are absolutely desperate for Allison Bailey to not talk about what is happening. Don't talk about prisons, don't talk about male violence, don't talk about the persecution of lesbians.

Women have been talking about the dangers of the trans ideology for years. And for years they have been shut down.

Now, the entire country knows what's going on. And it is the silencing of dissent and the reasons for it, which is going to send this into the stratosphere.

People who didn't have an opinion either way about anything to do with trans or Feminism have got a bloody huge opinion about forcing people to shut up or else.

ThePurported · 01/07/2020 15:08

I'm lost for words. How can Crowdjustice treat her like this and claim that it's about "standards"?

Datun · 01/07/2020 15:12

Apparently it is offensive of "high severity" to state FACTS about the number of trans identifying male prisoners who are sex offender

Absolutely batshit. Which is why terf is a slur has gone.

And which is why the Facebook sites called what transactivists say, which were live about three or four years ago, went very quickly. All the evidence.

Which might be a tactic, if you could still shut up those trans activists who won't stop. But you can't.

Certain men/TRAs cannot stop threatening women. You can take the websites down, you can say no debate, it doesn't stop. None of it.

And the people who are running this interference, like crowd justice, will be sued too.

Jesus. There are still laws in this country. They are acting as tho none are applicable.