Only on page 8 of this thread. It's a bit of a bun fight....
You know, I am an intelligent and very kind lady. It just so happens that I fell into this issue kind of by accident and I have been fully engaged ever since. I have been to all corners of the Internet and have seen every single argument, from both sides, debated and rebuked and debunked then bunked again.... I know all the responses and counter arguments from both sides and I have my opinion, pretty inflexible by now but very well informed.
Glinner and mumsnet have helped me so much with my journey, but other sources too; YouTube, the Times, Pink News etc... Channel 4 fact checking, BBC reports into the Tavistock centre, and very powerful accounts of detransitioners like Keira Bell, and now the mighty JK Rowling and all the fall out from that all paint to me a very clear picture.
This whole thing is beyond crazy!
I am afraid that the transgender position of 'we are the most abused and oppressed people in society, you are telling us we are not valid' etc just does not hold up to scrutiny for me. There is no substance to it, nothing to back it up, and anyone wanting further information, further facts, is either signposted to yet more fairly spurious arguments about feeling like you are trapped in the wrong body, denying their existence; or screamed at, shouted at and abused, hounded off twitter and out of positions (like the Booker prize), and that just makes me think that there IS nothing of substance behind it.
Think of the Brexit row. For or against, there were at least very coherent arguments for both sides, facts and figures and examples for both sides. It might have ended in a disaster (though still yet to be seen), but noone was hounded out of their job or threatened with rape and violence for holding either argument. Noone lost their prestigious positions, unless they were directly connected with the process.
Whereas the GC position, using facts and examples such as Yaniv, Challenor, Karen white etc and what seems to be a common sense approach to the reality of our actual bodies rather than feelings and ideas seems much more robust.
In any debate on the issue I am able to hold my own, provide evidence, and even give some solutions. No one wants that debate, though, and it does not take long to descend into name calling, threats and blocking.
Why not? Is there actually no substance to that position? If there is, then give it to me - I will consider it, as long as there is more to it than 'twaw, no debate, end of discussion, die in a fire'....