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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

ASDA respond to Baroness Nicholson

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TheShoesa · 23/06/2020 12:10

mobile.twitter.com/Baroness_Nichol/status/1275377329364221952

How long until the backlash do you think?

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nauticant · 23/06/2020 22:47

Well that was odd.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 23/06/2020 22:49

Deadnaming? You think a Baroness will get the boot for a typo?

Dearie me.

I was basing my assessment on Twitter likes. This is the strategy that won Labour the last election.

Season6 · 23/06/2020 23:00

Yeah whereas assessing the response to Rowling by saying somewhere on here told you her book sales might have seen a boost is a much better strategy for measuring the public mood.

Do you guys only like to talk to one another? Only like to welcome people who say exactly the same as you? I said nothing to disagree with you, just tried to answer an earlier question in the thread about whether there would be a backlash and how it might manifest. The thread title caught my eye as I’d just been looking at the Twitter campaign to complain to Parliament against Baroness N.

Binterested · 23/06/2020 23:20

I’m glad there’s someone in the Lords calling out this ideology which is being used as a smokescreen for abuse and misogyny.

Contrast the Baroness with Lord Patel who invited a rapist who had also been convicted of manslaughter into the Lords to a launch event. What marvellous thing has this rapist killer done to merit such treatment ? Change their name to Karen Jones and claim status as the world’s most Oppressed

Story here

Imagine how the victim must have felt? We can’t imagine how the other victim felt cos they’re dead.

But yes these people are truly marginalised and excluded from all access to power and influence. Be interesting to know what Lord Patel has done about male violence or the abuse hurled at JKR.

DidoLamenting · 23/06/2020 23:20

The Rowling books I checked on Amazon UK and Barnes & Noble were in the range of just out of the top 100 to around 500 on the best seller lists, with several around the 200 mark.

That's pretty impressive for books which were written years ago and given the vast amount which are already in people's homes. As a quick contrast I had a look at Stephen King's Salem's Lot and Carrie simply because he is another incredibly successful author and those are my favourite books. Salem's Lot was 2,500 and Carrie 3, 600- still impressive given how long ago they were written but not as impressive as Rowling's results.

FreeKitties · 23/06/2020 23:22

Season6

Twitter likes in no way reflect on the general mood of the public - as mentioned up thread Labour learnt this at their peril!

Whereas book sales are tangible, people have supported JKR at cost to themselves, which does indicate public support.
(It was amazon book sales fwi)

Also I suspect you think that some of us are aggressive because you don’t usually have discussions with people who disagree with you. Discourse here may sometimes be robust but it is not aggressive.

DidoLamenting · 23/06/2020 23:24

And for The Green Mile the nearest in time to first HP, 4,316.

SunsetBeetch · 23/06/2020 23:33

Didn't JK Rowling gain twitter followers during the debacle anyway? I think I saw some stats posted somewhere.

But yes, twitter does not reflect real life. It's a bubble with a strong bias towards far left activists.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 23/06/2020 23:38

Twitter is internet flypaper.

nolongersurprised · 24/06/2020 00:59

But yes, twitter does not reflect real life. It's a bubble with a strong bias towards far left activists.

This is an important point. ‘The mumsnet is so transphobic’ trope is oft repeated but when you break it down there’s no transphobia, only women wanting to preserve their same sex spaces for sport, changing rooms and toilets. It’s reflective of what large groups of people actually want, many posters will say that they don’t personally mind mixed sex toilets but they know many people who do mind - their daughters, their friend who has a disability, their grandmother etc. The “woke” bubble bursts for many women once they actually have life experience and have repeated exposure to male violence and can recognise it even in its more insidious forms.

The Daily Mail, for all its shortcomings, regularly allows comments on these topics, and again, most people want to preserve single-sex spaces. It’s easy to dismiss Daily Mail readers as just Daily Mail readers, but on the now rare occasion the Guardian allows comments the most “liked” comments are for those that support the upholding of women’s spaces. The Guardian are now hardly ever opening comments on these articles which seems an odd approach for journalists to take.

Complaining to the House of Lords about the Baroness will only serves to highlight that same-sex spaces are under threat. Abolishing them is not a political winner for anyone.

PurpleHoodie · 24/06/2020 02:11

UK History, Culture and Creed.

A fascinating subject that those who mainly inhabit the "Socials Sphere" fail to understand.

GrimSisters · 24/06/2020 08:53

What's rather worrying is the NAHT's love for this organisation now.

ASDA respond to Baroness Nicholson
SarahTancredi · 24/06/2020 10:34

Oh ffs🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🙇‍♀️🙇‍♀️

Vaunting · 24/06/2020 12:25

The National Association if Head Teachers!! Quick, tell the Baroness!

Binterested · 24/06/2020 12:31

NAHT must have someone on safeguarding policy?

Thelnebriati · 24/06/2020 12:36

Would the first step be to check that DRM has one?

MilleniumHallsWalledGarden · 24/06/2020 12:41

The HP series features very heavily in the Amazon best sellers list for children's books across various formats. Top 20:

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MilleniumHallsWalledGarden · 24/06/2020 12:45

I imagine there have been plenty of letters of support for Baroness Nichol going being sent too. Not just the ones from M Bergdorf's supporters. Lots of women are extremely grateful for her support.

Ninkanink · 24/06/2020 12:54

I think a thread specifically about Diversity Role Models would probably be a good idea (if one doesn’t already exist) for archiving information and raising awareness specifically regarding their questionable methods and materials.

PurpleHoodie · 24/06/2020 17:02

I agree Nink.

partystress · 24/06/2020 23:25

@Grimsisters are you an NAHT member? I started a thread on this but didn't get much by way of response. I am trying to think how best to phrase my concerns now that the material has been withdrawn.

So many other causes they could have chosen - hunger, racism, but no. Chartered College of Teaching lost too. Latest journal has two articles, one by a queer theory academic.

Really hard to speak out as an educationalist - thank god for 14-year old girls willing to fight, and for Safe Schools Alliance for supporting. Just too many fights to fight though.

teaandtoast123 · 27/06/2020 13:22

Bump

FleetsumNJetsum · 27/06/2020 13:38

@Michelleoftheresistance

Isn't it going to be rather obvious to the whole country when this hits the press that the real and actual reason to want rid of this woman, is that she is influential and active in supporting female and children's rights and interests as required in national and international law? And that this is very inconvenient to a certain agenda, who really don't want that law to work for women and children? And her track record is rather an impressive one?

Those are going to be the optics.

Yes.
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