Authors quit JK Rowling's literary agency

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www.theguardian.com/books/2020/jun/22/authors-quit-jk-rowling-agency-over-transgender-rights

The ever entertaining TRA power couple Fox and Owl were apparently represented by the same agents as the wonderful Ms Rowling.

They, along with some bloke called Drew Davies, have severed ties because the agents refused to issue a public statement slagging off their biggest client.

Being bastions of professionalism they left by telling the guardian.

You don't need an agent for anything, these days. You can always self-publish.

Fox Fisher was on Today prog on Radio 4 this morning approx 55 minutes in on the Sounds app. Not a very good speaker. Not even sure what he said about from TWAW

The Times comments are heartening.

They will be alright. You don’t need an agent for non fiction.

Non fiction

I just think that if she opened her eyes and saw that transgender women are women then we’d be able to move forward.

Well, that’s went down well with The Times’ readers. I think this is one fox, that just doesn’t know when to stop digging. 🤣

generating her opinions from sources in non-transgender circles.

I wasn't aware that fox had decreed that all the 'choke to death on my dick' people weren't actually trans?

Because, right now, that's where an awful lot of people are getting their opinion of trans people.

Are they not the right kind of trans people?

She was going out on the razz with Fionne Orlander. Is Fionne not the right kind of trans person either?

It's so confusing.

So there is another subset of trans people that Fox is demanding J. K. Rowling listens to? Before she is allowed to form an opinion about what constitutes a woman?

Speaking of Fionne, why is it the most beautiful feminine presenting men accept that they are men? Thinking of that Scottish makeup artist, and Fionne. And maybe Rose Dawn? I can't remember their name.

That's irrelevant I know. Just musing quietly to myself.

@picklemewalnuts

Speaking of Fionne, why is it the most beautiful feminine presenting men accept that they are men? Thinking of that Scottish makeup artist, and Fionne. And maybe Rose Dawn? I can't remember their name.

That's irrelevant I know. Just musing quietly to myself.

You're probably seeing the difference between AGP and HSTS there.

HSTS?

Brandnew Times article:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/2e186792-b609-11ea-8f3e-e50b85a09cc5?shareToken=79ee90fb1b020571ca7adc0ca9efa1ac

I forgot that I linked to that one already, sigh, too much going on.

So we are only suppose to take information from the people with an huge invested interest and clear agenda and not from scientists and professionals in a variety of arena. Ooooookkkkkkaaaaaayyyyy

@MsMarvellous

So we are only suppose to take information from the people with an huge invested interest and clear agenda and not from scientists and professionals in a variety of arena. Ooooookkkkkkaaaaaayyyyy

And definitely never, ever listen to those people whose rights are being adversely affected. Women, adult human females, the 51% of the population.

I don't think we women should be taking information from anywhere or anyone, personally. We should just wait for Ferret and Ostrich or the good doctor to tell us what to think on twitter.

Information might lead to dangerous levels of thinking. Best just make do with mindless, repetitive chanting.

@2Rebecca

HSTS?

Homosexual transsexuals as opposed to autogynephiles who are usually heterosexual possibly with a fetish for sex with males from a 'sissy' role

Information might lead to dangerous levels of thinking.

The speaker does something characteristic here of so many activist extremists in betraying, yet again, that they don't think of other people as autonomous independent units with minds and lives of their own: they see other people as empty vessels to be programmed, and those resistant to this are malfunctions. The speaker also does not see other people as equally real or human as they see themselves. There is a real problem here. When people with a real inability to think from an equal perspective of others, or understand and accept that others have different lives, needs and feelings to themselves, the information they give to form policy may be very valuable in reflecting their personal experience but it has to be put in this clear light of what is missing from it, and balance applied from other sources.

You're probably seeing the difference between AGP and HSTS there.

I dunno, I've known some really beautiful straight men who have a very feminine way of presenting themselves too. I can't think of a "kind" way to say this, but it almost seems like it's the gap between how one wants to look and how one actually looks that's driving some of the very angry, hostile behavior from the people who just won't ever look like that.

@TheProdigalKittensReturn

You're probably seeing the difference between AGP and HSTS there.

I dunno, I've known some really beautiful straight men who have a very feminine way of presenting themselves too. I can't think of a "kind" way to say this, but it almost seems like it's the gap between how one wants to look and how one actually looks that's driving some of the very angry, hostile behavior from the people who just won't ever look like that.

This ^

Fionne has a theory that even HSTS have a kind of autogynephila anyway (falling in love with the idea of themselves as women).

I suspect that the worst of the AGPs behaviour is motivated by the terrible combo of being enraged with envy at boring old-cunty women whilst simultaneously wanting to have sex with women.

So, some nicer AGPs don’t have much of the envy bit.
And some awful HSTS do.
But HSTS are never quite as bad as AGPs because they don’t have the combo of envy AND sexual attraction.

There is a very sweet seeming young chap on YouTube at present who is a self-reported AGP who realises it’s a problem and has sought therapy rather than transition. He’s young and pretty and would be at least as ‘passable’ as the average HSTS but he has the self awareness to know that it’s not going to lead to healthy relationships with women. I admire his insight and honesty. Will dig out a link in a bit.

Fionne has a theory that even HSTS have a kind of autogynephila anyway (falling in love with the idea of themselves as women).

I believe a Blanchard confirmed that actually.

That both kinds were sexually motivated.

So HSTS were still sexually motivated, but in a slightly different way, in that they wanted to attract straight men. So less about how they present, and more about how to get who they want by the way they present.

I can think of at least two prominent transactivists who are like this. And very insistent that the men they are interested in/attract, are straight.

Blanchard could probably do with another 20 years of study, to be honest. Since there are so many transwomen now, his typology probably needs a lot of tweaking.

Absolutely!

There is a probably a bunch load of new AGP subsets now, thanks to the internet 😱

It's not really 'as women', though, is it? It's the trappings of femininity. Fetishised aspects of (in the literal sense) gender.

We really do need to dismantle all this nonsense about how men and women should act according to sex.

When will men start to say - we are happy to accept all males in our spaces, we don't mind what you wear, we don't care how you act. When will men stand up and denounce some of the pernicious stereotypes that cause them so much pain?

Men, if you're reading, please, start to widen the bandwidth of being male.

It's not really 'as women', though, is it? It's the trappings of femininity. Fetishised aspects of (in the literal sense) gender.

Totally. It’s more themselves as the weird-sex-stereotypes-associated-with-women-that-are-unhealthily-stuck-in-their heads.

This is the AGP non-transitioner chap I mentioned upthread:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=hG9jBXGPnxE

And to bring this thread somewhat back on track, compare the sensitivity and honesty of the young chap above with the ‘authenticity’ of Fox and Owl:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=ApDI76l9ULo

For ‘non-binary people’ they sure do rely on sex stereotypes in their trans aesthetics!

(I’m pretty sure that people only call you ‘animals’ because you called yourself animal names, Fox!)

He's amazing. What an extraordinary brave and insightful young man. Wow.

I'll come back to the Fox and owl one later as it will just make me cross!

Interesting interview in the Evening Standard with Fox and Owl. Interesting because the Standard has kept away from this subject despite being increasingly millennial focussed. Now they publish this and it’s pretty fair - Fox and Owl have their say, sound a bit vague and naive, clearly are tremendously self involved, claim things are transphobic that aren’t .....and the ES publishes their words as well as a summary of JKR’s comments for all to consider. Helpful. Article here

From the Evening Standard:

While these tweets might not be seen as transphobic or abusive on face value, they are endorsing a very particular point of view, which is very misleading and feeds into toxic narratives.

Right along the hate crime lines, it is what they think about the tweets that matter, not what the tweeter meant, or how most people would interpret them.

They wear wedding rings and staged a “protest wedding” in 2017, because, being both legally female — Fox still has a female birth certificate — they are not yet able to have the non-binary marriage they would like.

Oh FFS.

Owl: "Everyone thought I was a gay boy and I was constantly bullied for being effeminate"

Fox: trying to find a way to love myself and the body I was in, but things just didn’t feel right. At the end of my twenties, I was having panic attacks and felt like I was dying. Then I had therapy and at the end I asked, am I a woman? After an abusive relationship I came out as trans

I feel sorry for them.