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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Where to start? Comedian to J.K.

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WokeEwok · 18/06/2020 15:59

Oops posted too soon

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WokeEwok · 18/06/2020 15:59

Or not at all it would seem

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NonnyMouse1337 · 18/06/2020 16:01
Grin
WokeEwok · 18/06/2020 16:02

Starting again...this has annoyed me. I honestly don’t know where to start. The emotional manipulation, the ridiculous gender stereotyping, the lack of critical thinking, the likelihood it never even happened.

And...ask your fricking husband???

mobile.twitter.com/sarahkcomedy/status/1269626751468126208/photo/1

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WokeEwok · 18/06/2020 16:05

Ps name changing as never posted here and still in the closet - although inching closer every day to losing my shit online

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megletthesecond · 18/06/2020 16:07

That letter is the biggest load of sexist nonsense I have every read. Football and tractors Angry.

They can't see they're doing it can they?

TherapistInATabard · 18/06/2020 16:20

People really are so blinded by the way see this debate aren’t they? She’s accusing JKR of things she’s specifically said the opposite of and is blindly ignoring so much of the bollocks that the TRAs have actually been saying. Fuck me. So patronising and so naive. Just aaaggghhhhhh. I deactivated twitter last night because I just can’t any more, I might need to start avoiding FWR as well now 😫

TherapistInATabard · 18/06/2020 16:20

the way they see the debate. God I’m so mad I’m not even making sense.

Enderthedragon · 18/06/2020 16:23

Oh I saw this after JKR had written those tweets!

It really is a steaming pile of horseshit isn't it? 'Luna' is a boy who likes pink and My Little Pony. None of that means that Luna 'might' be trans as the author seems to suggest. I don't even get what she is saying - she seems to think she is making some clever, profound point about gender stereotypes whilst totally enforcing those stereotypes by suggesting Luna's love of dresses might mean she is actually a girl in a boys body? Confused

And what's with all the 'you hurt my Luna' - no you hurt Luna, Sarah, by planting the seed in his head that his love of pink means that there might be something 'wrong' with him that needs 'correcting'.

It's trying so hard to be emotionally manipulative but the argument is so crap it doesn't even achieve that. If JKR ever did see that letter, I really don't think it would trigger the epiphany that Sarah seems to think it would.

ShowOfHands · 18/06/2020 16:26

It is so muddled. Fails to understand the basic distinctions made by JK, buys into stereotypes and the sheer misogyny of saying she needs to ask a man to help her understand? Jesus wept.

Fairenuff · 18/06/2020 16:27

'Nobody who advocates for trans rights is denying that biological sex exists'

and

'things that make up what we understand to be gender - penis/vagina'

Well, which is it? Sex is biological or sex is gender?

Collidascope · 18/06/2020 16:35

Argh! The bit about gendered expectations being toxic and damaging - so near and yet so far!

And the "no one is saying so and so." Yes, they are! The conflation of sex and gender was very deliberate. If it hadn't been deliberate, they wouldn't have taken a biological word (woman: adult human female) and decided to redefine it as being about gender. Why not come up with a new damn word for people with a womanly gender identity? Because they wanted the conflation. Because if you conflate it, you get the sex-based rights. Doesn't take a genius to work that out.

NoseringGirl · 18/06/2020 16:38

Boys that like pink need to be in women's spaces? Did I read that right?

TrickyWords · 18/06/2020 16:39

Life must be tough on a day to day basis if you are that hard of thinking though. FFS.

TherapistInATabard · 18/06/2020 16:42

The number of times I saw 'no-one's saying' .... precisely the thing lots of them are saying, was one of the straws that broke my twitter back.

picklemewalnuts · 18/06/2020 16:43

She doesn't seem to be doing very well with that. There aren't many comments that agree with her.

Winesalot · 18/06/2020 16:45

This was a poorly written condescending piece that focused on being emotive and nothing else. And entirely missed the point that women are the ones fighting against gender stereotyping while mermaids advocates them.

merrymouse · 18/06/2020 16:45

She is 27, born in 1993.

What went wrong? Why did people start believing that only girls could play with pink toys?

DreadPirateLuna · 18/06/2020 16:46

And...ask your fricking husband???

Rowling's husband (the nice second one, not the shitty first one) is a doctor and I'm willing to bet he agrees with her on this. Not that it would matter if he didn't.

TreestumpsAndTrampolines · 18/06/2020 16:54

You'd think it was satire - this for example is just too perfectly ridiculous (emphasis my own)

there is no attack on what it means to be a woman, or a lesbian. There is simply a movement to expand what those words mean

we're not trying to force the word to change meaning, we just want to change the meaning.

And don't get me started on understanding that there's more and more constraint on kids, but rather than loosen it, she thinks it's better to leave most constrained and move the others outside of it (like some kind of sacrifice)

GCGayDad · 18/06/2020 16:54

Did you see this article mentioned in the responses?
lilymaynard.com/when-is-a-girl-not-a-girl/

It's really good!

Enderthedragon · 18/06/2020 16:57

there is no attack on what it means to be a woman, or a lesbian. There is simply a movement to expand what those words mean

😂

That reminds me of that Bros documentary where he said 'The letters H. O. M. E. are so important because they personify the word home'

Redcrayons · 18/06/2020 17:01

I really can’t understand her argument. Boys like blue, girls like pink. A boy who likes pink must be a girl.

When I was a lass we were fought against gender stereotypes. Now we are supposed to be all for them?

And how is her goddaughters friend for school ‘her’ Luna.

merrymouse · 18/06/2020 17:06

here is no attack on what it means to be a woman, or a lesbian. There is simply a movement to expand what those words mean

Apparently it wouldn't occur to her to expand what the word 'man' means.

Deliriumoftheendless · 18/06/2020 17:06

I’m confused and I don’t know what to think about this because I was so silly and didn’t get me a husband to ask. What am I like?

Bookoffacts · 18/06/2020 17:08

My son loved pink and wearing big hooped princess dresses as a toddler (mainly in playgroups). He's now a tough rugby playing 13yo boy/manchild.
It would have been child abuse imo to have led him to believe he was a 'girl'.
He still loves cooking.

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