Be an ally to lesbians: stop using LGBTQ+

[Shedbuilder]

I'm a lesbian and I mentally parted company with Stonewall and began opposing it and a lot of other LGB organisations when they added the T and then the Q and then all the other identity letters to the original LGB.

LGB people are united by same-sex attraction. TQ and whatever are linked by their insistence on identity — defining themselves by feelings or whatever. LGB people are united by their experience of homophobia. Transgenderism, and its attack on sex, is inherently homophobic. The two cannot and could never exist comfortably together. As soon as Stonewall added the T to their constituency, it began working against its core community.

Stonewall and other organisations have done this by force. Uncoupling the LGB from the TQ+ is one of the most important things anyone with a GC stance can do.

Please, let us work towards making the letters LGBTQ+ a badge of ignorance and shame, not something that employers should be plastering everywhere as proof of how progressive they are.

I believe that women, especially lesbians, should be able to have women-only groups, organisations, spaces, facilities, etc. which are not accessible to males no matter how they 'identify'.

But apparently, that's also "transphobic".

Lurkers: if you want to know the gaslighting, denial, silencing and harm to lesbians inherent in this political movement, please just read this thread.

It's as plain as day.

Just wanted to add that a lesbian friend of mine has been very much pressurised by a transwoman to have sex and made to feel very uncomfortable in their friendship group because of it - we've talked about it at length and the guilting that has gone on very much comes under the banner of psychological torture. Her refusal to comply on the pure point of consent / preference has of course been put down to transphobia. This is what fries my brain - a simple "No thank you" if you don't want to have sex with ANYBODY used to be the gold standard - the mixed messages that the younger generation are getting around this are quite terrifying.

the global lesbian community?

The good people of Lesbos would rather you said Sapphist.

I can confirm that a lesbian saying she does not having sex with males would not be a controversial thing to say in the lesbian Facebook group.

But if that group also has an overarching belief that TWAW, and that ladydick is a possible feature of a woman, then....

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3890857-Clarification-for-someone-who-is-new-to-this-area-on-being-a-lesbian-and-gender-identities

I’ve never understood it.
LGB is about sexuality. Same sex attraction.
T is about gender identity.

I never get why’re they’re lumped together.

Classic cuckoo scenario.

User1937 ...you have a vivid imagination.

Linda Riley is as TWAW as it gets.

Those statements are what that awful Riley Dennis says in that video posted up thread. So even the most hardened of trans activists are generally not pressuring lesbians to sleep with males.

Well, yes they are aren't they? Because TRA believe straight males become lesbians if they say they identify as a woman.

For clarity : I am a straight female. I stand with the LGB alliance. Those 2 screenshots above succinctly summarise my exact thoughts.
I'll do my best to be an LGB ally centering women.

^ first paragraph not mine

I'm a bi woman who was exclusively lesbian for most of my life. I've never liked the T being sutured on to what used to be LGB -- LGB is about orientation and sexuality, not gender identity which is a completely different thing.

In the 1920s-1930s gay and lesbian people used to be known as "inverts" for their "inverted" sex. It was most often, and started off as, a way of medicalising what was thought of as "deviant" sexuality, and then sometimes a way of gay people mainly lesbians -- being able to lay claim to a political narrative of their existence (see Radclyffe Hall). In the second half of the twentieth century we used to think we were more enlightened and had abandoned the discourse of being "inverts" to have a freer, better way of thinking about desire and sexuality.

Then "inversion" reappeared under a new guise of "trans", but really it's just the same old same old way of re-suturing sexuality back to gender (this time) instead of sex.

I don't want to be told that loving other women is the same as a confusion about my gender/sex role. I don't experience it like that, and I find it insulting and degrading to be told that it is. But somehow my hurt feelings aren't the same as those of a middle-aged man who believes in gendered souls. Why not?

Anyway, I also feel alienated from the rainbow flag now. I can't any longer support Pride when there are kink stalls at festivals and I'm expected to believe that people can be born in the wrong body. I would also distrust anyone wearing a rainbow lanyard as a HCP.

Linda Riley is as TWAW as it gets.

Exactly. And yet she manages to never tell other lesbians to accept 'ladydick'. I've never heard any lesbian use such a term IRL or online, I've only ever heard it on here.

The first rule is Be Kind.

I bet it is.

LGB all the way.

Exactly. And yet she manages to never tell other lesbians to accept 'ladydick'. I've never heard any lesbian use such a term IRL or online, I've only ever heard it on here.

She doesn't have a problem including them in Diva though does she?

Last time I picked up a copy, it had interviews with Munroe Bergdorf & Susie Green. And when I had a look at the website just now it was all about LGBTQI. That is emphatically not transwomen staying out of lesbian spaces - although of course Diva wouldn't be a lesbian space any more.

Sappho, this is disingenuous in the extreme:

she manages to never tell other lesbians to accept 'ladydick'. I've never heard any lesbian use such a term IRL or online, I've only ever heard it on here

as you well know, the only time you'll see that threat/ language used here is when lesbians are reporting what's being clearly posted on social media by TRAs against women.

@SapphosRock I’m a lesbian, I’ve experienced being called transphobic as I would not have sex with a pre-op transwoman. Now you can stop saying you don’t know of anyone who has experienced this.

Get the L out! Sick of being thrown under the bus to appease the menz

Please, let us work towards making the letters LGBTQ+ a badge of ignorance and shame, not something that employers should be plastering everywhere as proof of how progressive they are.

The TQ+ are doing it without any help from us.
The trans advocates demanded that we listen to queer and transgender people and the more people listened the more they realized that the Emperor was putting on a public display of dominance while in his skivvies.

@7ofNine

I saw a poster when I was driving (a proper paid for advert on a bus shelter) that appeared to be from Pride and had the words Intersex in huge letters on it. I couldn't read it as I was driving, but since when has intersex been a sexual orientation? It is a biological condition. Ditto asexuality- that's not a sexual orientation.

LGB only for me.
And I think purple had it right earlier today, at 9:42.

I find the attempts to normalise fetishes insidious.

IIRC intersex was forced under the Trans umbrella several years ago. The forced teaming by abusive men in the LGBT community leadership has been going on for over 15 years.

The T only got added circa 2014/2015 so it really shouldn’t be such a big deal to say, ‘nope, turns out that same-sex attraction and cross sex identity aren’t compatible, let’s split back up and do our own shit’

But somehow some folk are determined to wail and gnash their teeth over it

¯\(ツ)/¯

@VickyEadieofThigh

I believe that women, especially lesbians, should be able to have women-only groups, organisations, spaces, facilities, etc. which are not accessible to males no matter how they 'identify'.

But apparently, that's also "transphobic".

I’m part of a few women only groups. Well, a book/film club and a netball team. We have trans women in both groups. We are all feminists and nobody is transphobic.

I’m part of a few women only groups. Well, a book/film club and a netball team. We have trans women in both groups.
We are all feminists and nobody is transphobic.
That would make you and your group misogynist, not Feminist.

@TehBewilderness

*I’m part of a few women only groups. Well, a book/film club and a netball team. We have trans women in both groups. We are all feminists and nobody is transphobic.* That would make you and your group misogynist, not Feminist.

I’m bewildered. Please explain how gathering with women is misogynistic?

It's not a woman's only group if it contains males and women.

Sounds like you have some nice mixed sex groups. Lovely. Got nothing to do with women's groups.