Please help me with text to DIL

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My son has previously bitten my head off when I mention the rights of women and the rights of trans women. I’ve only spoken gently about it, but he’s soooo woke it’s a definite conversation stopper.

I’ve never mentioned it to my DIL specifically but she is a crazy Harry Potter fan and self proclaimed feminist. Last night I thought “Fuck it” and text her how proud I was of JK Rowling and she was my favourite person in the world right now.

She has replied “Why?”

I don’t want to mess this up, if I can make her understand then maybe she can get through to my son.

Any tips?

No one is saying that you must have a gender. Even TRAs believe in agender or non-gender. If you're a feminist you are aware of gender as a term for all the trappings of society on sex.

Harriet wrote: I think that the sex you are born does not define your gender and so yes a woman can be born with a penis.

Harriet is not describing gender as a social construct. Harriet is describing a gender identity. Surely you can see the difference?

They both sound like a couple of oddballs. Just leave them to their unscientific weirdness and stick to talking about the weather in their company from now on. Don't waste your energy. People who say they think TWAW generally have an agenda that prompts the lie. Addressing the lie won't change the agenda behind it.

Actually she hasn't said one was innate or not. Some TRAs admit it isn't innate. So, I couldn't say what she is describing other than that she knows that there is such a class of people as females. I'd be prepared to be money that if she is a scientist she knows it very well.

But again,. my point is whatever opinion she has she is allowed to have it.

If this was a thread debating transgenderism and not a "oh shit how do I handle a fucking awkward text I just sent my dil" thread I'd agree that would be the time to pull her up on it.

To me, she could have easily have said "I like Bob Bobson even though he's an athiest and I believe in god"

only to have someone say "prove there's a god" it misses the point entirely because one. you can't prove a belief and 2 it wasn't the point.

Damn, if only there was a word to describe the class of humans who have XY chromosomes, penises, and have always managed to figure out who are the members of the other class of humans, who have XX chromosomes, when knowing who to oppress?

Imagine if we had words to describe these two groups, wouldn't that be mind-blowing?!!!

Harriet is not describing gender as a social construct. Harriet is describing a gender identity.

Also referring to a particular gender identity called 'woman'.

Damn, if only there was a word to describe the class of humans who have XY chromosomes, penises, and have always managed to figure out who are the members of the other class of humans, who have XX chromosomes when knowing who to oppress?

Well, actually the collective word for those oppressed would be females as girls are just as oppressed as women. Which Harriet hasn't denied and I certainly would never. But I'm sure this is helpful.

Also I think the fact that Harriet has fucked off the thread kind sort of proves the point.

Just leave, wouldn't be engaging. You seem to be making trouble for yourself.

I didnt come on this post to offend or start an argument. I have seen many other threads on this topic and see how those who disagree get treated so I have chosen not to engage. I just wished to voice my opinion on how to deal with emotive topics in families.
On that note I stated my job only to highlight an emotive topic in mine not to show any specialist knowledge on transgender identity.
Regarding the question what is my biomedical description of a "woman"?
The terms men and women dont tend to be used in scientific literature. The terms male and female are used to denote the sex of subjects and yes these terms refer to the sex organs.
Gender is a far more complex topic and has more to do with brain structure then the presence of certain sex organs. Once again this is simply my opinion.

I only fucked off because I had other stuff to do and can only post in between.

I was genuinely interested! Not arguing!

The terms men and women dont tend to be used in scientific literature. The terms male and female are used to denote the sex of subjects and yes these terms refer to the sex organs.

The terms male & female are not specific to human beings.
You don't think scientific literature uses classification words which are specific to human males & females?

Well, actually the collective word for those oppressed would be females as girls are just as oppressed as women.

Yes, and the definition of woman is 'adult human female'. The definition of girl is 'female child'. As Rowan said, 'female' is not just used for humans, that's what we have the word 'woman' and 'girl' for. So no, women don't have penises.

Words have meaning, who knew eh?!

Otherwise I could say that I am a biomedical science, despite the fact that my degree is in English Literature, I am a primary school teacher and I have never set foot in any sort of biomedical laboratory.

And I know that the original post was about something slightly different, but I just have to call out stuff like 'women can have penises' when I see it, because it's so damaging to women and girls.

I'm not sure what that picture is ment to show as nowhere does it mention sex or gender or Male or female or man or woman.

I'm not sure what that picture is ment to show as nowhere does it mention sex or gender or Male or female or man or woman.

It illustrates the importance of classification in science.

Homosapiens are male or female sex. There are specific words to describe these two groups which distinguish them from males & females of other species.

What word would one use if they were describing an adult human female? As opposed to perhaps a female dog, or a female cow?

I never denied that there are different sexes in fact I explicitly stated the terms Male and female are used to define the use of a subject.

I was wrong on the definition of woman I apologise for that. My point of view of gender and sex is still the same and these are different things so in my view a trans woman and a woman are equal. I know this is an unpopular opinion but I stated multiple times I was expressing my opinion and did not want to engage in an argument but here we are.

Thank you to the posters who stood up for my right to express a different opinion even if it's one you disagree with.

I'm now leaving this thread so feel free to keep arguing with yourself

Thank you to the posters who stood up for my right to express a different opinion even if it's one you disagree with.

You of course have the right to express an opinion.

I have the right to challenge you on that opinion.

You have the right to not answer the questions put to you.

No one on this thread has insulted you or attacked you, you have been allowed to express your opinion and others have been allowed to challenge it.

I never denied that there are different sexes in fact I explicitly stated the terms Male and female are used to define the use of a subject.

5/5/2020
Ralph Lucas (House of Lords Conservative Peer) via twitter in reponse to his question asked of UK government:

"Definitions. The government has helpfully pointed out the definitions that they use

"Man": from the Equality Act 2010: 'A male of any age'

"Woman": from the Equality Act 2010: 'A female of any age'

twitter.com/LordLucasCD/status/1257642473368760320

I'm genuinely surprised that a biomedical scientist believes in the concept of women's and men's brains as independent to female and male bodies.

How do I discover if I have a man's brain, I wonder...

Ihaventgot, you could try a personality test... I think men on average score lower on agreeableness, possibly also lower on conscientiousness. Higher on aggression markers...

But as those are average, it will probably tell you absolutely nothing

if I remembered that correctly and if we applied it to the whole twitter debate, the average man would have a less pleasant, more aggressive and less carefully worded tweet than the average woman...

so in my view a trans woman and a woman are equal. ?

how long have you been a scientist?