@SuperLoudPoppingAction Yep, people tried to claim Dworkin said all sex is rape, but she was saying that under patriarchy sex isn't equal/is rapey (I CBA to look up the quote online lol.
@Angryresister I imagine you've read 'The Lesbian Heresy' by Sheila Jeffreys? I remember it as being pretty good.
Women have also used sex as a tool to coerce men. Like in the comedy Lysistrata.
@PlanDeRaccordement Yes, they weren't trying to coerce men into sex though of course. They withheld sex to try and stop a war or something.
(I have a degree in Classical Civilization BTW, not that this is a stretching point on Lysistrata and I'm sure you know it, in fact it is what you said.)
IDK if it's the same as using sex to oppress men.
I suppose it's a separate point I've been making at times, that men use male dominance to get sex, or that men's sense of ownership and entitlement under patriarchy leads to control of women- sexual exploitation, which is a form of oppression.
But as PP's said, #NAMALT , it can be a tool in the wrong hands, but isn't necessarily.
I think having any form of sex a woman doesn't want is oppressive though.
Is there not a difference between withdrawing consent for an activity and forcing an activity on someone?
Some people do say that it's another way narcs manipulate, control and emotionally abuse women.
Lesbianism is a useful tool for countering the patriarchy!
That sounds quite culty to me. Surely sex should be about pleasure, playfulness and intimacy, not about waging a political battle against the patriarchy or anything else?
@hoodathunkit People's reasons for engaging or not engaging in a form of sex are also a matter for their own personal 'choice.' In fact, becoming a political lesbian is arguably a freer choice than the sexual identity society tries to enforce on us: hetero-normativity.
Are you seriously suggesting that women who desire men sexually and not women should engage in sexual acts contrary to their nature in order to wage war against the patriarchy?
The argument goes that our sexuality is influenced by patriarchal conditioning- undo the conditioning and we are more open to sex with women; also if we focus on centering women in our lives and supporting them, sex with them rather than men becomes more of an option.
Of course, some argue that women who 'choose' to do this are bi or were lesbians anyway, just didn't realize it for a while/weren't out.
But I think people can choose the sexual acts they engage in, regardless of desire. They do say conversion therapy doesn't work, but people can choose to be celibate, or priests etc.
Personally, I'm a bit of a sub, but am going to try not to have much Dominance/submission in the bedroom in future relationships, as I think it can reinforce a power imbalance and submissive role in everyday life. I know some people wouldn't feel that, but it's my personal choice. That's without going into 24/7 Total Power Exchange (and I have tried that) 
It was well boring!
It is an extremely common phenomena in cults.
I think some people do say political lesbianism/radical lesbian feminism is a cult. I disagree if it's just an ideological choice made relatively independently, though, maybe nowadays often with online inspiration. It's maybe cult-like if there's like a commune full of radical lesbian feminists who swear to live by a certain ideology, as it would be more difficult for people to leave their friends etc.
I don't think it's particularly helpful (and comes across as creepy tbh) for posters to describe the details of their sex lives. If you're genuine, OP, do bear in mind that this is often done to elicit descriptions from other posters to provide wank fodder. Whilst that might not be your aim, it is worth considering by you and those posting.
My descriptions of coerced/bad sex (hours of boredom/ unpleasantness) aren't really going to entice anyone or not really get anyone to share much that excites many people, I don't think but I get what you mean. The many details were actually far more grizzly than that and I left almost all of it out, I've said about 3 sentences, 2 about bad sex, another about PIV and that I get pleasure from it, and I'm one of several women who've said that, but my point was that for me the enjoyment is probably only coincidental.
He would not have written about women using sex as a tool to coerce if it was completely unheard of/never done.
I'm not saying he did, but of course he could. It's a reverse, common in literature. Like asking what would it be like if the world was won by women, or if men were held in camps etc- philosophical thought experiments basically.
I love that your example of coercive women is from fiction.
You do hear of women who deliberately withhold sex if a man isn't doing as much as she would like around the house or something (maybe less so nowadays.) But I think that's kind of fair enough if she's not happy with him- his antics will be a turn off on some level.
Is there not a difference between withdrawing consent for an activity and forcing an activity on someone? Neither of those are using sex as a tool for coercion.
I think it can be, if it's part of a reinforcement of dominance, such as part of a whole system of behaviours of coercive control, or even on its own. Even without pregnancy and the risk of pregnancy, rape is often an affirmation of control, entitlement, dominance etc.
I’ve said that men oppress to get sex, but women use sex to coerce something else
I think men can do it to get something else too- rape to make someone subservient, trauma bonded/mess with their head and so get other types of attention they want.