Labour 'stands back' from transgender war

[BovaryX]

I haven't seen this already posted, apologies if it has been. The Times reports that Labour is 'standing back' from the transgender issue in recognition of the fact its threats to expel members with 'transphobic' views during the last election contributed to a collapse of Labour support in the 'Red Wall'. Meanwhile, an Amnesty International spokeswoman claims that the Conservative proposals amount to a 'hostile environment' for trans people in the UK.

^any such proposals would cause a headache for Sir Keir Starmer after disputes over the intersection of trans rights with feminism overshadowed the Labour leadership election. Sir Keir was the only candidate not to sign a pledge calling on the party to expel members with “transphobic” views. He instead tried to take the heat out of the issue.Last week JK Rowling was criticised by the stars of the Harry Potter films after she used her experience of domestic violence to express concerns about female-only spaces and warn against attempts to “erode ‘woman’ as a political and biological class”.
Labour has committed itself to reform of the Gender Recognition Act and David Lammy, the shadow justice secretary, said: “There’s now a change of view that people ought to be able to self-identify and not over-medicalise.” But he declined to go further, telling the BBC: “We would have to look at the legislation when it comes forward in detail^

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/labour-stands-back-from-gender-debate-nd730zrnf

Ha ha. Still not voting for them. Not until they know what a woman is.

I see. So they're not going to stand up for women, or apologise, or take any action. Just stick their fingers in their ears and hope it all goes away.

Interestingly, the Tories and the Communists are the only two parties that support women as a sex class. The rest are all tying themselves in knots to score woke points with the TRAs.

And the silly women will trust a party where a woman’s organisation is a ‘hate ‘ organisation and where prospective leaders advocate incarcerating women prisoners with rapists and Labour members applaud.

How many (ordinarily) sensible Labour MPs spoke out against this? I can’t remember one.

No chance.

So they’re basically going to pretend that they’ve changed their minds, hope that gains them a few votes and then shite all over woven, once they get into power. They can fuck of, if they think people are that gullible. Until they come out and say what they’re going to do to protect actual females and female spaces, they get get to fuck.

Thanks but no thanks

It's a start. We need to keep pushing them. It's almost as though Keir has noticed that women male up 50% of voters.

Gosh so anti Trans. Many moments here. Dear me.

Labour was/is part of the problem. Not voting for them however smooth the leader seems. IMO Blair was the worst.

@Clymene

Thanks but no thanks

That’s what I wrote at the top of my voting slip when I spoilt it. 😆 However, the world is waking up. I consider this promising, and if they continue progressivism then I might actually be able to bring myself to vote for them in the next election. Will be watching.

Pro women DOES NOT MEAN anti trans. That's a failed logic TRAs try to channel people into.

I’ll vote for them when they officially apologise to women for their staggering misogyny.

@KaronAVyrus

I’ll vote for them when they officially apologise to women for their staggering misogyny.

Absolutely going to be essential to reciting the damage they’ve caused to their party’s name. But I’m optimistic they’ve realised women are people, not a sub-class here to serve male desires.

and if they continue progressivism

'Progressivism,' is identity politics. 'Progressivism' is in direct conflict with women's rights to sex segregated spaces. 'Progressivism' lost Labour the last election. There is absolutely nothing remotely 'progressive' about many of its articles of faith.

Another no from me.

Well, thats about £22 of my hard earned cash I consider well saved!

Idiots!

BolloxtoGender

It's the reductive, authoritarian, binary idiocy of so much of this. And if you don't just obediently jump aboard, irrespective of doubts or questions, you are denounced.

For me, it seems Labours core values are identity politics, the narrative of the oppressed versa the privileged.

@BovaryX absolutely. Cultural Revolution mark 2, uk version.

"in recognition of the fact its threats to expel members with 'transphobic' views during the last election contributed to a collapse of Labour support in the 'Red Wall'"

I don't think that's correct. I think this threat came during the leadership election, not during the general election.

I would be surprised if there is any solid evidence that trans issues were a big factor in the outcome of the general election - even though I suspect most voters (and most Red Wall voters) would agree that TRA activists are taking things too far.

It happened during the GE. The pledges were all over Twitter.

@CASCASCAS

Gosh so anti Trans. Many moments here. Dear me.

So pro women. Some men don’t like that. Oh dear me.

Let's not forget that this idiotic proposal to "reform" the GRA was put forward by Theresa May's government, with support from people like Maria Miller.

The Tory Party has a new leader, but so does Labour. Starmer isn't stupid. Admittedly, many members of his front bench as well as the backbenchers and quite a lot of ordinary party members support this nonsense, but Rome wasn't built in a day. (I'm in danger of talking myself out of my own argument here.)

The opposition to GRA reform was led largely by women who were active in the Labour Party and trade union movement. We still have a say in what happens and we will continue to push for what's right. Starmer is somehow going to have to find a way of treading a line between the nutters in the party who support changing the GRA and the sensible people who don't. That's a pretty impossible path so at some point he'll have to come down one side or another. And if he's got any sense at all, he'll realise that the vast majority of the electorate don't want self-ID. Given the current parlous state of the Labour Party in parliamentary terms, I'd opt for not pissing off the people you want to vote for you.