'Dismantling cisgender privilege'

[SistemaAddict]

I've just been on the Black Lives Matter website to find out more about the movement and found this:

"We are self-reflexive and do the work required to dismantle cisgender privilege and uplift Black trans folk, especially Black trans women who continue to be disproportionately impacted by trans-antagonistic violence.
We build a space that affirms Black women and is free from sexism, misogyny, and environments in which men are centered."

https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

"Cisgender privilege" and ooh look we are centring the men whilst stating we aren't

I'd be interested to see statistics on black transwomen in relation to the above claims and compare them with various other statistics.

I'm too tired to get all my thoughts out but that privilege comment has really got to me.

Quoting a PP on this very thread:
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Do not use Cis to describe me. It is hugely offensive and I reject it*

You were not "just thinking aloud".

You deliberately came here to tell people that they are talking "crap" and to chuck about the cis word which you must know people here find offensive.

You are clearly a disingenuous and goady poster.

I think we as women who were born female definitely have privilege over trans females

Nope. We as women are simply ascertaining our legal right to spaces to change away from biological males. Which includes transwomen as it's not possible to change sex. This is not a privilege, its a right that women have had to fight for, and have had to continue to do so due to male attempts to infiltrate these spaces; to force women to validate and accept their male sexed bodies changing next to them and their daughters. And the answer is bloody well no. Get to fuck with your female privilege.

I have the biology bits, I also have the mind bits for want of a better phrase.
So you think it's OK to go along with sexist stereotypes of women.
How nice for you.
Rest of us don't.

Do some proper thinking daisy

It might help you

Great post barbieandkenBruce.

Looking at this another way... why is it the mystical c** privilege applied to biological females with relation to trans women?

If you’re talking about c* privilege presumably it’s with relation to c men that trans women are disadvantaged (ie the c man is comfortable in his male body, does not have to worry as much about his safety, being called names for his clothing choices etc). Likewise a c* woman may have privilege over a trans man who has the biological and often systemic struggles of being female but has the added discomfort regarding their sense of gender and the judgement of society for this.

In fact, if it was acknowledged that much of the things trans women complain/worry about come from men and are worries shared by women, they would have a more sympathetic ear from women rather than being jealous/wanting to take away from us/diminish the specific sex-based needs women have because they can’t share it and they feel excluded.

This situation could be mutually supportive if the expected sympathy worked both ways. There are prominent trans people who get this and are supportive of women’s issues specific to their biology, but it’s the TRAs and allies who want to take and obliterate it all.

To claim miscarriages, birth injuries, ovarian cancer and endometriosis as ‘privilege’ is disgusting.

To claim miscarriages, birth injuries, ovarian cancer and endometriosis as ‘privilege’ is disgusting.

Some years ago in this section, a transwoman told me their infertility was more tragic than mine because 'at least I had a womb'.

He'd fathered children.

wrongsideofhistorymyarse.

Gosh the lack of empathy of that statement.

I’m sure I’ve read that infertility can be one of the most emotionally and mentally distressing things to go through, but it doesn’t get half the airtime or understanding of other causes of mental anguish/distress.

I had a few years of secondary infertility and miscarriages between children but thankfully have my family now. I would not compare that with what some people go through or claim to understand their pain though.

That person must be a narc if they believe pining for an imaginary womb is more important than the living breathing children they brought into the world.

I am proper thinking ta
We don't all have to "think proper" like dog does apparently

So you think it's OK to go along with sexist stereotypes of women

Didn't say that, did I?

Thanks Supergoggles.

I'm still angry about it. This person did make every thread about them so it's not at all surprising. But it made me sit up straight.

Didn't say that, did I?
So what else does "having the mind of a woman" mean?

This person did make every thread about them so it's not at all surprising..

I've been here long enough now to notice this phenomenon. Usually accompanied by the scintillating revelation that "I am not a feminist" as if we couldn't bloody work that out for ourselves.

I've not RTFT, but what I continue to find so bizarre about the ridiculous posturing on how women can't be called women any more, is the fact that I'm pretty sure the etymology of "woman" is "womb" + "man". So if a woman is a man with a womb, then no, trans women are not women. They could just say they're female instead, couldn't they? That contains "male', so actually seems perfect to describe the combination.

The title of the thread uses the c word, the thread is about is there such a thing (and others are using it too, with "twee" asterisks like me.
So not sure how I "came here to chuck about the c word".
For what it's worth, I don't particularly like the word either, it's horrible.
How else are you supposed to discuss the thread though without mentioning it?!

So what is privileged about being a woman, Lemonade?

The question is actually to lemonade should probably what is the priveledge that you experience as a women who feels as if she totally fits within the stereotypical woman ...ie a woman whose sense of gender identity matches her biological sex

The problem many of us have is in not actually having a gender identity in alignment with societies expectation based on our sex , hence we are likely to be victims because of our lack of cisgender priveledge

So we are not happy to be the default carer, we are not happy to be talked over, we are not prepared to put our feelings last and be the person who is kind

@LemonadeAndDaisyChains

Women don't experience any kind of imaginary c** privilege.

That's crap though
I know I have a privilege being so called cisgender for want of a better term.
If I wasn't completely identifying as a woman, if I wasn't straight?
C and het is a thing

It would be impossible for you to have cisgender privilege because it doesn't exist.

"Cis privilege" is a very silly concept and I'm not going to take it seriously even if I agree with other things that BLM are saying. Luckily the people who wrote that original manifesto have no control over the wider movement that's adopted their slogan. I've seen a few young people with Trans Lives Matter placards at BLM protests but most other people seem to be politely ignoring them.

It would be impossible for you to have cisgender privilege because it doesn't exist

The fact that there are trans people suggests it does though.....

Isn't the underlying problem that privilege is a reductive concept? Trying to create some sort of hierarchy of it will never work.

@LemonadeAndDaisyChains

It would be impossible for you to have cisgender privilege because it doesn't exist

The fact that there are trans people suggests it does though.....

It really, really doesn't. Not having gender dysphoria isn't a privilege when it still means you're disadvantaged due to your sex.

@LemonadeAndDaisyChains

It would be impossible for you to have cisgender privilege because it doesn't exist

The fact that there are trans people suggests it does though.....

I repeat:

Where is the 'cis privilege' in:

• Sex selective abortion
• FGM
• Being forced into prostitution
• Lack of access to abortion
• Poor healthcare
• Being shamed for menstruating

Etc etc etc?

Because you keep stating that it exists, but are unwilling to be clear about how that privilege manifests.

And as others have pointed out, there's no such thing as 'cis'. There are women and transwomen, men and transmen.

BLM was founded by three women, but as they unabashed Marxists, so all about deconstructing current social frameworks. Two of them even identify as queer. So it makes sense that they are all about dismantling what they believe is cis-privilege ...