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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Pride was started by trans women

42 replies

WhatTheWhoNow · 12/06/2020 18:59

Is currently being shared all over social media. I thought it was started by a drag queen?
As a lesbian I should know this... but google is full of articles stating it was started by black trans women and trans people should be at the centre of pride. Can anyone clarify?

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AuntieRae · 12/06/2020 19:02

Check out Fred Sargeant if you're on Twitter. He regularly debunks this - he was there.

WhatTheWhoNow · 12/06/2020 19:12

I’ll look him up, thanks

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nauticant · 12/06/2020 19:13

It reminds me of Mr "Everything Comes From India" from Goodness Gracious Me:

Melroses · 12/06/2020 19:18

There was somebody on twitter with a very good selection of people who threw the first brick at Stonewall. Lewis Caroll and Oscar Wilde and Edvard Munch were highlights.

Sadly they have had to protect their tweets so I can't link.

(I second Fred Sargeant )

SapphosRock · 12/06/2020 19:18

It was Marsha P Johnson who started the Stonewall Riots.

www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/52981395

BringbackLang · 12/06/2020 19:20

No it wasn't Sappho. He wasn't even there. The person who started it was Storme Delaverie.

Lordfrontpaw · 12/06/2020 19:20

Aye like crap he did. It was Storme - she did it. And who has the statues? 2 men.

BringbackLang · 12/06/2020 19:21

And before you say I misgendered Martha. He referred to himself as he.

PurpleHoodie · 12/06/2020 19:22

www.afterellen.com/people/77167-an-interview-with-lesbian-stonewall-veteran-storm-delarverie

It was Storme Laverne. A Butch lesbian.

Lordfrontpaw · 12/06/2020 19:22

I a million times Fred (I have a bit of a fangirl thing going for him). He was there unlike all the Tweenies saying that Marsha was a drag queen. And Storme wasn’t trans either (despite what the Tweenies are now saying)

PurpleHoodie · 12/06/2020 19:23

*delaverie

SirVixofVixHall · 12/06/2020 19:24

Why do they insist that M P Johnson was trans ? He was a gay drag queen.

Lordfrontpaw · 12/06/2020 19:24

Sorry - they say Marsha was trans - yet he said he was a he.

Clymene · 12/06/2020 19:26

Ffs Sappho - if you're a lesbian as you claim, I can't think why you'd want to erase the fact that Storme started it (it wasn't a riot, it was a rebellion)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm%C3%A9_DeLarverie

BringbackLang · 12/06/2020 19:27

Marsha not Martha. How do these lies get traction? It was 28th June 1969 Storme shouted do something and that kicked off the riots.

It's awful how they try to write her out of LGB history.

Lordfrontpaw · 12/06/2020 19:28

@SirVixofVixHall

Why do they insist that M P Johnson was trans ? He was a gay drag queen.
Because he was trans, Storme was trans, Queen Elizabeth 1 was trans, Queen hatshepsut was trans, dr Barry was trans, George elliot was trans..

there’s a theme...

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 12/06/2020 19:29

Marsha didn't start Stonewall, but was there for part of it. Sylvia Rivera wasn't there, and was sleeping off a heroin dose on a park bench as it happened. The Stonewall was in general not a particularly drag friendly bar, though it would let in a few people who were known to the staff, like Marsha. There were other bars for drag queens.

There are actual photos taken at the time in which you can get a sense of who was there.

ThePankhurstConnection · 12/06/2020 19:29

It was Storm Delaverie - this just shows how lies repeated often enough permeate culture.

Pride was started by trans women
Pride was started by trans women
BringbackLang · 12/06/2020 19:29

It's like women aren't allowed to be strong and powerful is it.

SirVixofVixHall · 12/06/2020 19:32

The transing of dead people is pretty low.

SarahTancredi · 12/06/2020 19:33

There are tapes arent there ? Where Marsha says himself he was a gay drag queen and he didnt start it.

I know they hate lesbians but writing them put of history is an all time low.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 12/06/2020 19:34

Indeed. Leave the dead alone.

NotTerfNorCis · 12/06/2020 19:35

They're diagnosing everyone who's gender non-conforming as trans.

Lordfrontpaw · 12/06/2020 19:37

If I really want to piss off my sister I tell her that technically she is trans these days. And if she has really annoyed me I say c**.

SirVixofVixHall · 12/06/2020 19:37

Family member was historically slightly famous, and broke gender roles. I have been waiting for someone to insist that she was trans.