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Sun headline and responses to it

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Doyoumind · 12/06/2020 01:04

Lots of people back pedalling slightly because there is nothing to be said other than that it is horrific. Outpouring of more virtue signalling.

OJ has slammed it but has disabled replies from those outside his echo chamber so people can't tell him what a bloody hypocrite he is.

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FantaOra · 12/06/2020 09:31

What a dreadful human being she is. It's just blind lashing out isn't it?

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 12/06/2020 09:32

I am going to reach for more empathy than I think actually exists and say that the screaming cognitive dissonance going on in Jameela's head must be hard to live with. And that I've never seen a better illustration of the maxim about believing absurdities. And I'm not going to swear and I'm not going to say anything else because I can hardly believe what I've just read.

GCGayDad · 12/06/2020 09:40

Of course the activist political lobby have shared many stories of their distress and trauma and struggles. This has had a huge impact on gaining a view of their vulnerability as a community and inspiring sympathy and support. In fact it's been one of the main pillars of their campaigning. It's very interesting how they find it objectionable when someone not of their group does the same to illustrate their own distress and trauma and demonstrate the challenges faced by that community, and call this unfair and manipulative. But not when they do it.

This.

And as for the Sun's motivations for trying to show they are on JKR's side rather than the TRAs. Well, I agree that they are mainly interested in selling papers and that it's a shitrag all round.

But... Remember that article by Julie Bindel revealing The Sun has been Stonewalled and they've all had trans awareness training and agreed to run contentious articles past Stonewall or whomever? thecritic.co.uk/issues/january-2020/triumph-of-the-trans-lobbyists/

Well, perhaps the editors are using this to signal their frustration with the trans lobby, bearing in mind they now have to write about people like Karen White as "he" and describe Sam Smith as "they " and so on.

Anyway, it's just a theory but in any case this might increase sympathy for JKR and get more people interested in the issue, as others have said.

Iamanaubergine · 12/06/2020 09:41

All the people condemning the sun who did nothing to condemn the hideous abuse are infuriating. Top amongst them are Mandhu Reid (WEP), Sam Smethers (Fawcett Society) & Jess Phillips.

PurpleHoodie · 12/06/2020 09:42

How is that #nodebate going for the transgenderists?

CaraDune · 12/06/2020 09:45

Jameela self-IDs as Aunt Lydia.

"Just remember freedom to hold your own political opinions about your right to bodily autonomy is as nothing compared to freedom from the male violence that expressing those views will all too rightly incite."

MoltenLasagne · 12/06/2020 09:45

RedToothBrush Less for sure, very impressive work.

Enderthedragon · 12/06/2020 09:46

And as for Owen Jones and the rest of them, I actually cried tears of anger in the shower this morning which is ridiculous I know but I am just so angry about this.

I'm not even that annoyed with the Sun, I don't expect anything better from them, I wouldn't wipe my arse with that paper as they say. I hope that Joanne has got good people around her today though as that headline is so grim and triggering.

But most of my anger is at people like Owen Jones. Who has spent the last few days going on about how transphobic JKR is. Who read her essay, including where she talked about her own abuse, and then went straight into accusing her of 'portraying oppressed people as abusive, silencing, aggressive and violent'. Without once acknowledging or condemning the abuse, online and in real life, that she has been subjected to.

But now that he has got a chance to spout off about how much he hates The Sun? Oh now suddenly he does care about the abuse that she has suffered? The poster upthread nailed it when they said that he doesn't give a fuck about vulnerable and oppressed females unless he can use them to make his own point. He does it all the time when he talks about what a fucking feminist he is.

Nicola Coughlan is the same. She has been apparently sharing articles comparing JKR to Nazis, and not once called out the abuse that she was receiving. This was after she had read the essay. But now she will slag off the Sun and post links to DV support lines, so that everyone knows how caring and compassionate she is?

If any of the Harry Potter cast (apart from maybe Evanna Lynch who at least gave a nod to acknowledging that JKR had been receiving abuse) come out of the woodwork now to speak out in support of her because of the headline then they are disgusting hypocrites. They all threw her under the bus without even bothering to acknowledging the 'Choke on my girl dick you cunt' stuff that she was getting.

Gncq · 12/06/2020 09:47

So she looks at the abusive replies, says "I didn't see it... (change of subject)" saying nothing about that at all, and agrees that JKR (Or possibly ALL GC feminists) is a terrorist?

Christ on a bike

Collidascope · 12/06/2020 09:48

Weaponise trauma??

Jesus, Jameela. Remember the myth of Medusa who gets raped and then is punished for that by being turned into the Gorgon, this terrifying creature with snake hair? Most feminists consider that story quite misogynistic. I'm guessing Jameela thinks it's right on and that no woman who objects to male presence in certain space could actually be being honest. Must be because they're being manipulative. Liberal feminism, everyone.

Rubidium · 12/06/2020 09:53

From The Times, like The Sun a News International/ Murdoch newpaper, this morning:

JK Rowling: Trolls rain down curses, misogyny and sexual threats

It's a marvellous bit of disingenuousness. News International know exactly what they're doing here and the TRAs are walking straight into their trap.

Enderthedragon · 12/06/2020 09:59

Paris Lees seems to changing tack a bit at the moment. This is what she wrote in reply to Jameela's delightful 'Fuck You' poem from the other day. A couple of years ago, Paris was referring to women who don't think that people can change sex as 'arseholes'.

Sun headline and responses to it
PurpleHoodie · 12/06/2020 10:00

Old boy Owen Jones:

The SHOCK, Horror and tears of the man when the Conservations won the election because he (like a lot of these lot) dismiss the "man and woman on the street" and thought Twitter represented the world.

I fucking well cried laughing over that for days. Up there with Pob Haddock doing the swivel eyes in the versus Posie interview.

Owen Jones is in no way a feminist.

Like Emma Watson and Jameela Jamil, he is a Menamist.

nettie434 · 12/06/2020 10:00

@Aesopfable

Why wouldn’t this vile man be proud of his actions? After all he has done when so many have threatened and what Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson, and others including mainstream media have implicitly supported by their support for those spouting vitriol towards JKR. All those headlines of ‘transphobic backlash’ which should have read ‘transgender activists pour violent misogynistic abuse on JKR for saying women matter’ support violence against women.
I agree with Aesopfable. Redmayne, Radcliffe and Watson all KNOW the sort of violent threats their comments would provoke yet they still made their statements, none of which called for respectful discussion or allowed that JK Rowling was entitled to hold her views. As I said upthread, why are they any better morally than a Sun journalist?
Floisme · 12/06/2020 10:01

I think Jess Phillips has annoyed me the most this morning, which might be irrational but it's the sight of her peeping over the parapet now that the Sun are involved.

PurpleHoodie · 12/06/2020 10:02

Pari Slees is another one.

Justhadathought · 12/06/2020 10:03

Owen Jones is just trying to be consistent is his identity as a progressive socialist or whatever it he he identifies as. He's not really concerned with the plight of abused women, or with JK Rowling.

I agree, though. So shocking as a headline. It's awful that her revelation is being used in this way.

PurpleHoodie · 12/06/2020 10:03

I didn't vote Conservative by the way.

OliveKitteridgeAgain · 12/06/2020 10:06

I think JKR would have expected the tabloids to track down her ex. She was one of the phone hacking victims, wasn't she? She's no fool, she would have known this would probably happen, but bravely published anyway, because she's putting herself on the line for women.

The Sun's principle goal is to sell papers (or get clicks), yes, hence the click bait headline. However, I have swallowed my loathing of the rag and read the piece, and it is very supportive of JKR. Don't forget that the person who writes the article has no control over the headline.

The piece itself paints the ex as a drug user/loser, and clearly unable to see his own violence or take responsibility for his own conduct. Whilst he dismisses his conduct as "just a slap" , the piece refers to third parties being concerned about Jo and a member of the public calling the police on him for his conduct towards her in public. So clearly the slap was no isolated incident. The piece emphasises how short lived the relationship was and that JKR got out quickly. Again, I think it is alluding to the fact that is must have been pretty intensely awful - as opposed to a single incident over the course of a long marriage, which might be dismissed as an aberration (I hasten to add, not by me, I think all women should be zero tolerance).

The piece also contains a comment from Rachel Horman from the anti-stalking charity Paladin. She praises JKR's bravery and how painful it must have been for her to speak out.

It also refers to Jo's £1m donation last month to various charities supporting domestic violence survivors and the homeless. It adds, "While she has previously kept her abuse ordeal a secret, she has used her vast fortune to help others who have suffered."

And it also links to the Ickabog and how she has been encouraging children to post their pictures.

This piece is incredibly supportive of JKR. It's a shame that the headline seems to indicate the opposite, but it has served to expose the sheer hypocrisy for OJ, Jameel and the rest.

RedToothBrush · 12/06/2020 10:08

News International know exactly what they're doing here and the TRAs are walking straight into their trap.

As a general rule there isn't too much coordination between news international papers in terms of editorial policy on a day to day basis.

The problem that the trans lobby have is more to do with a total lack of self awareness that an outsider will spot in an instant.

The wider context of the argument is also important. The debate is happening within a debate about abuse more generally on social media from extremists of all colours and political persuasions at the expense of reasonable debate and proper journalism.

If you are a newspaper, even one dealing in celebrity gossip, this is something important to you because your continued financial existence relies on you understanding this. The Times is modelling itself on focusing on demand for traditional journalism whereas the sun is aimed at the celebrity gossip angle so engages in the hot twitter topics of the day by taking it to the next level.

Given that every paper has run a story on the JKRowling row they were always going to run stories based on their target market.

It's entire subject has been swirling around for some time and it's a huge part of the culture war. Which again is widely posing an threat to newspapers.

Were news international newspapers suppose to ignore the subject? Reporting it / having an unpleasant scope about it does not mean some sort of coordinated conspiracy with a wider sinister plan!

Kit19 · 12/06/2020 10:11

Honestly the number of blue ticks sounding off about the sun & pontificating about misogyny

Whilst still not seeing that encouraging ppl to pile on jkr for being a ‘Transphobe’ would be funny if it didn’t demonstrate so scarily how hard of thinking they are

slug · 12/06/2020 10:19

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Aesopfable · 12/06/2020 10:20

why are they any better morally than a Sun journalist?

They are worse. The sun at least makes it clear and ‘confronts’ it (even if their motives are not exactly pure)

ValancyRedfern · 12/06/2020 10:24

So, according to Jameela. Trans women are actually raped and murdered while women are only ever threatened with it? Wtf?????

I'll leave this here: mobile.twitter.com/ashermaj

NotBadConsidering · 12/06/2020 10:24

On the plus side, all the replies to Jameela Jamil are pointing out how awful her comments are.