Pro-woman is just a euphemism for transphobic

[Littlemeadow123]

Exactly that.

Transgender people are not eroding our rights as women. Although, the people making such spiteful and ignorant comments and talking about trying to stop them getting recognized as women are eroding their rights to be accepted, respected equal. Do you all honestly think that by speaking out AGAINST transgender people, you are going to be declared as heroes?

And what happened to be kind?

' if just one person reads this thread and has a rethink about the way they think and talk about transgender people then it will have been worth it.'

The way you talk to people (queries about glands etc) might not be the best way to facilitate change.

Dialogue works well.

There are some questions up thread you could answer, for eg

That might be Freirean of you.

@Littlemeadow123 why are you avoiding this question?

Do you believe women should continue to have all the rights they currently have in law?

I did not know very much about trans activists etc, and TWAW. Until fairly recently I fell into the 'live and let live' camp.
It's due the the intelligent discussion on these threads that my eyes have been opened to the reality of what's going on.
Women are women. Trans people are trans people.
It beggars belief that some trans people think they can actually change sex.
It all seems to be about gender stereotyping and/or fetish.

This is not Twitter OP. This is a discussion board where we discuss ideas and posters argue their points.
You can’t just come on here to tell us off and dodge questions. If you’re going to do that, go back to Twitter.

Op, you said

Transgender people are not eroding our rights as women.

Do you believe women should continue to have all the rights they currently have in law.

Come on. It's a simple question. Yes or no will do.

Ruffle, I would say if you have greaseproof paper to cover your surfaces with, it will save cleaning energy later. Do you have a sugar thermometer?

Turkish delight isnt too much more difficult than fudge if you can get hold of cream of tartar

I hope OP is avoiding our questions simply because she's too busy on twitter telling all and sundry to be kind, especially the men who have called JKR c*t, b*h, and invited her to suck their dks or too go f*k herself (don't normally asterisk out swear words when I'm the one doing the swearing, but since these are aimed at JKR who is awesome, I'm going to do so out of respect for her).

(Thought it would be a good idea to have them here on thread, since the other possibility is that OP simply can't be arsed to follow links to anything that might counter her view and just wants to tell us to shut up be kind, repeatedly, without ever supplying anything that might even vaguely be counted as an argument.)

I'm not recognising them as women until they have 2 X chromosomes. Until then they will be trans women and I will forever be a woman never a CIS woman.

Crap - how on earth did my autocorrect change gonads to glands?

OP if sex is just a construct, what is same sex attraction?

OP,
Do you believe women should continue to have all the rights they currently have in law?

In all due respect OP, what are your thoughts on how the change in legal terms does to women? You can support trans people but still find this concerning, right?
(Also you won't win if dont answer the qus! I agree 'be kind' but that should be to all vulnerable groups).

Come on, op. Answer it.

@Littlemeadow123
Do you believe women should continue to have all the rights they currently have in law?

but if just one person reads this thread and has a rethink about the way they think and talk about transgender people then it will have been worth it.

I've read threads here and changed my mind on things - but there were actual arguments, clear criticisms, an exchange of ideas, and explanation of why I might want to change my mind about whatever it was, other ways of thinking about the subject, an explanation of the harms and benefits - can you try that? Because just being told off and informed I'm wrong and should be kind has no persuasive force...

Copied from Datun:

*Op, you said

^Transgender people are not eroding our rights as women.
^
Do you believe women should continue to have all the rights they currently have in law.

Come on. It's a simple question. Yes or no will do.*

So if any human being can declare themselves a woman, how can womem keep having rights that are only for women? Come on, just have a stab at it...

Do you believe women should continue to have all the rights they currently have in law

It's not unkind to answer these questions:

1. Do you think it is fair for a biological male to compete in women's sports when the whole reason for there being a women's category is that women are at a disadvantage when it comes to sports? Would you support an able bodied person being able to compete in the paralympics if they "identify" as disabled? If competition between biological males and women is held to be fair what is the point of having a women's category in the first place?

2. If self-ID is introduced how will you distinguish between genuine transwomen and males using these provisions in order to access women's spaces? On what basis do you say that "this won't happen? Because male sex abusers are far too nice to exploit this?

3)A woman today has the right not to have a male nurse perform a smear test. Should she be expected to give up this right if someone declares themselves to be a woman? Even if they are in every way identical to any other biological male? I personally have no objection to getting a smear test done by a male nurse but either women have this right or they don't. It would be more honest to remove that right rather than insist that it becomes dependent on someone else's identity.

4. Would you agree that a male bodied person who thinks they would be a suitable rape counsellor to traumatised women has by that very belief shown themselves to be unsuitable for the role?

5. Would you agree that since the Movember website can state plainly "the prostate gland is only found in men", apparently without this being considered transphobic, that it should be equally acceptable to say "periods only happen to women"?

6. Can you explain why raising these questions - none of which are abusive in any sense of the word - is held to be "transphobic"? Why are these questions not legitimate?

I refuse to tell lies. A man is not, never has been, and never will be, a woman. It's nothing to do with being kind. It's about truth and reality. No one can identify out of reality.

OP, people have asked you over and over again to comment on the tweets in this article:

medium.com/@rebeccarc/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-activists-a-story-in-screenshots-78e01dca68d

in which JK Rowling is repeatedly told to "shut the fuck up", "suck my dick", "suck my entire cock and choke on it" and that "her dry ass old pussy hasn't bled in years". And much more in the same vein - TRAs aren't very imaginative in their range of abuse.

And yet while repeatedly scolding women on here to be kind, you haven't offered any kind of comment, let alone condemnation, of the most vile and foul misogynistic abuse. Why is that?

I suspect the OP has fuck all idea what they're talking about.

And has just looked at a couple of soundbites on their Facebook.

Tedious.

I have always used this name and have commented on quite a few posts and started a few other threads, so I don't know what you are on about?

It was a genuine question. I think I might actually not know how to do the search function properly. If someone had commented on a thread, and that thread comes up in the search, how do I find the persons comment? Might be because I'm on the app.

and that "her dry ass old pussy hasn't bled in years". And much more in the same vein - TRAs aren't very imaginative in their range of abuse.

I know! I imagine it's something for which she is profoundly grateful. 😁

Totally agree OP. You won't get any more agreement though - this isn't the feminism board, it's the transphobia board. And they don't mention those that transition to male as it doesn't fit their narrative that men transition to female purely to harass women in toilets.

This board makes me sick and I generally avoid it.

I won't be back so just to preempt - yes, I am a feminist. A radical feminist. If you understand what that means you realise that I am pro-women.
No, I don't believe lesbians should be forced to have sex with trans-women as i don't believe anyone should be forced into sex who anyone. That's a niche argument and insulting to most trans-women.
I have never been raped or sexually assaulted by a trans woman or even a cross dresser. I've always been raped and harassed by men presenting as men in non-gender specific areas.
Transgender rights are not about eroding women's rights. That's just ridiculous. As if anyone would have life altering surgery just to annoy women.

You can be feminist and pro-trans.

I’d stay out of the feminism chat threads if I were you OP. They’re just a refuge for bigots. History will judge them.

@Littlemeadow123 Do you believe women should continue to have all the rights they currently have in law?