Pro-woman is just a euphemism for transphobic

[Littlemeadow123]

Exactly that.

Transgender people are not eroding our rights as women. Although, the people making such spiteful and ignorant comments and talking about trying to stop them getting recognized as women are eroding their rights to be accepted, respected equal. Do you all honestly think that by speaking out AGAINST transgender people, you are going to be declared as heroes?

And what happened to be kind?

Other’s opinions.

@pertella

I have done.

Be kind...well if you are kind to me I'll be kind to you.

Stop labelling me a menstruator, person who menatruates or pregnant person against my wishes.

The trans movement hate having labels oppressed on to them, so why should women tolerate it?

Listen transwomen are women, you jumped on the oppression bus that is women, so like many of us women have been told our entire life shut up dear and sit down, you are being hysterical.

Welcome to the folds of womenhood you so desperately wanted. You join the bus, you ride the bus, so calm down dear.....

Once more just below where OP says how worthwhile they think this thread is:

OP, do you believe women should continue to have all the rights they currently have in law?

I know it's like banging my head against a 20 metre thick brick wall with most of this lot, but if just one person reads this thread and has a rethink about the way they think and talk about transgender people then it will have been worth it.

But you haven't given any reasons. All you have done is tell women to be kind and call us names.

Men do that all the time why would you believe you doing it would be received more positively?

Why do they never answer the questions and just waffle on? Does my head in.

medium.com/@rebeccarc/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-activists-a-story-in-screenshots-78e01dca68d

Christ, that poor woman.

if just one person reads this thread and has a rethink

How about you have a rethink, OP?

Go away and do some reading on what feminism is.

Here's a hint: it's a movement to liberate women and girls from patriarchy.

Not males. Males do not form part of this movement. Males of any gender expression.

I know it's like banging my head against a 20 metre thick brick wall with most of this lot, but if just one person reads this thread and has a rethink about the way they think and talk about transgender people then it will have been worth it.

How smug are you.

Wrong and incapable of thinking as well.

I wonder what Bunbury would make of our latest visitor?

I must say I've been thinking the same thing and there have been plenty others over the last couple of days...

As shirly as night follows day the sanctimonious witch prickers with their pokey sticks and high on their own supply will take it upon themselves to come over to FWR and poke the nest of vipers.

It's as dull as it is tiresome.

I'll keep posting too, dickkerr. It's a great question.

@Littlemeadow123
Do you believe women should continue to have all the rights they currently have in law?

That you Daniel?

I know it's like banging my head against a 20 metre thick brick wall with most of this lot, but if just one person reads this thread and has a rethink about the way they think and talk about transgender people then it will have been worth it.

Reads what? You haven't said anything. Just who up demanding that women shut up, budge up, and centre men.

No.

You can't even define what you mean by the word women.

And then go I don't think we are removing your rights though.

It's laughable.

@gamerchick

Why do they never answer the questions and just waffle on? Does my head in.

medium.com/@rebeccarc/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-activists-a-story-in-screenshots-78e01dca68d

Christ, that poor woman.

Is this what you mean by "be kind" OP?

Let's have a little discussion about "discrimination", shall we?

Women-only sports discriminate against men. Men aren't allowed to take part in them. Is this a bad thing? No, because men have men's sports to take part in. (In fact, on the whole, better funded, better supported sports.) In fact, sports have all sorts of discrimination built into them. Is a heavyweight boxer discriminated against by not being allowed to enter a flyweight competition? Is a 4 times Grand National winner allowed to enter a novice hurdle chase?

We segregate women's sports for reasons to do with the massive biological differences in the extremes of the distribution between men's performance and women's performance. Don't believe me? Have a look at this.

boysvswomen.com/#/

We do this because we don't in general think "fairness" is the same thing as "free for all" - in sport we engineer competitions to allow fairness between matched competitors.

So - in this instance you have a finite size of pie. Look again at those results for women Olympians versus high school boys.

If transgirl Andraya Yearwood (post male puberty, no androgen blockers, no cross sex hormones) decides to enter a girls' high school race, Yearwood will win by a country mile (and has done, repeatedly, unless beaten by another transgirl).

So in this instance giving Yearwood the "right" to enter girls races takes away from girls the "right" to have a fair chance of winning in their own sex category within athletics.

It is a straight either/or, no half-way house, no compromise position possible. Either you allow Yearwood to romp away with the gold, or you give the girls a fair chance to win the gold. But you can't have it both way.

Giving Yearwood what you see as trans rights takes away women's sex-based rights. The two are mutually exclusive.

I know it's like banging my head against a 20 metre thick brick wall with most of this lot, but if just one person reads this thread and has a rethink about the way they think and talk about transgender people then it will have been worth it.

If you want people to have a re-think, you’ll need an actual argument. “#BeKind” and “you’re transphobic” might work with the animes on Twitter, but people in the real world do not think in slogans.

¥OP, do you believe women should continue to have all the rights they currently have in law?

Come on op. You're desperate to educate people, and change peoples minds. Answer the question.

[quote Littlemeadow123]@WhatExit

Thanks honey.

I know it's like banging my head against a 20 metre thick brick wall with most of this lot, but if just one person reads this thread and has a rethink about the way they think and talk about transgender people then it will have been worth it.[/quote]
They might rethink the way they think about genderism, yes. Possibly not in the way you had anticipated though.

@AnotherlovelybitofsquirrelNo, I've been on mumsnet for years and I have seen some very transphobic threads on here over the last couple of days

Of course you have twat

Littlemeadow123

I am actually quite interested in what research you did?

Did you actually do research into the potential impacts of women's rights or just on how to better understand what was happening to your sibling and to support them?

If you did the research into the potential impacts of women's rights, please can you link it up. I have not yet seen a compelling study. I have an industrial relations background, and I see plenty of impact on women's employment opportunities, employment security and rights. So, it would be great to get a different take if you could.

Nothing wrong with being Pro Black, as long as you don't discriminate against white people

Presumably you're against positive discrimination in areas where BAME people are woefully underrepresented. Good to know your point of view.

I don't agree with being kind all the time as it can sometimes allow people to be walked over and mistreated.
Also, still find it infuriating that it's a phobia but for example being negative towards someone's race is an 'ist' or 'ism'.
I can't imagine people describing their feelings towards a transgender person the same way someone describes how they feel about example fear of spiders.

Do you believe women should continue to have all the rights they currently have in law?

Still no answer?

If you search for someone's name and only this thread comes up showing it, but other threads come up in the search that don't appear to show the name, does that mean they are a first time poster with that name?

@Littlemeadow123

Be kind is what you say to children about how to behave around others

So you are suggesting fhat the whole #bekind thing was a load of rubbish? That we shouldn't treat other people kindly, or with respect? That if someone lives their life in a way that we don't like then we should respond with as much hate as we want? Wow.

Would you respond the same way to a woman who wanted to start living as a man? Would you have the bollocks to say the same things to a transgender person's face? I doubt it.

Isn’t it transphobic to say “a woman who wanted to start living as a man” according to the dominant ideology coming form the USA? Because they were that gender from birth? I was educated in the UK which has adopted human rights, unlike the USA. In the UK transsexuals are protected under the Equalities Act, and so are the sexes, so I can say it’s weirdly sexist to say “living as a man”?

Good grief OP. Have you read this? Are these your heroes?

medium.com/@rebeccarc/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-activists-a-story-in-screenshots-78e01dca68d