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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Do you think JK knew what would happen?

253 replies

Alyssum34456 · 09/06/2020 14:23

She's hinted her views before, but this is the most clearly outspoken she has been. The backlash has been pretty awful tbh. I'm not sure I 100% agree with everything she is saying, but I do not like how she has been treated. Why the world is acting like she has made some 'Trump-like' statement I dont know. Perhaps because being trans is the most recent trending vulnerable group to gain support and influence? So it's a very risky thing to talk about? The fact it can't even be discussed is pretty sad.

I wonder if she realised this would happen. Do you think she had higher hopes that some other admirable high profile names would come to her aid, or at least have a healthy debate? Does she know people who have let her down? Perhaps they realised last minute that it was just too risky a move here's looking at you Dan Radcliffe. I can almost see him sending her a private message "Sorry Jo, really can't do this right now! I'm too young and I need the money from my next woke gig!" Or has he really truly lost touch with her and decided to break ties? Or did she really just decide throw it out there and hope for the best?

A part of me thinks she knew it all along. She is very good at standing out from the crowd. She had had incredible lows in her life. Even if she spends the foreseeable future in a downward disgrace, she has publicly planted a seed and now the initial heat is over people are starting to talk. The BBC even has an article on the Dan Rad response and links to articles about gender critical and what this means for women. I think they are being surprisingly unbiased actually.

The future starts here?

I just hope this doesn't scar her too much.

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RoosterPie · 10/06/2020 17:19

Eddie Redmayne. What a fucking idiot.

midwestsummer · 10/06/2020 17:33

I'm not terribly interested in men who tell me that I've got being a woman all wrong.
I'm pretty sure they don't know what they are talking about.

TheIncredibleBookEatingManchot · 10/06/2020 17:54

And as for Joanne Harris... I still love her books, but I don't think I'll ever be able to forget her smug sanctimony sufficiently to buy another one.

I was disappointed in Joanne Harris and her comments about privileged cisgender women pulling up the drawbridge of feminism behind them too.

And Catherynne Valente saying Rowling had flushed herself down the toilet.

I hope they, and everyone who's jumped on the bandwagon, read the article Rowling published on her website today and start to think a bit deeper about the issues.

CaraDune · 10/06/2020 18:01

Has this been posted yet?
www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/

It's an awesome rejoinder. (Thanks to LittleBrownDog I think it was for pointing me to it on another thread).

tipsyandtim · 10/06/2020 18:20

Ricky Gervais liked some tweets that seemed to be more ‘on side’ with JK around the time she posted as well- one from that spoof trans woman account that said something like ‘biology is a hate crime’

7Days · 10/06/2020 18:23

Her post is wonderful.

Thank you Joanne

Seashell80 · 10/06/2020 18:23

Wow! No backing down from JKR. Quite rightly too!

Michelleoftheresistance · 10/06/2020 18:29

Anyone else thinking in awe of JK and Magdalen in conversation? I'd have loved to have been a fly on the wall for that one!

EboracumNovum · 10/06/2020 18:44

That is a fabulous piece of writing.

It would be so much easier to tweet the approved hashtags...scoop up the woke cookies and bask in a virtue-signalling afterglow

Bit of a dig at DR methinks...bloody good for her!

YgritteSnow · 10/06/2020 18:50

I absolutely love her. Total Shero.

RubyViolet · 10/06/2020 18:53

Yes l think she knew exactly what was going to happen

SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito · 10/06/2020 19:05

What a wonderful bit of writing. What an amazing woman!

CatherineOfAragonsPomegranate · 10/06/2020 19:10

I just read that link @CaraDune

What a formidanble and stirring rejoiner. It's very humbling that she's bern putting up with all that harrassment. She's really brave that's all I can say.

It has moved me to tears.

SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito · 10/06/2020 19:12

I've shared the piece of JK's writing on my FB, without feeling nearly so frightened this time as I did when I shared the Spectacular piece from James Kirkup. It feels good to speak up even if I'm using someone else's words.

Bowednotbroken · 10/06/2020 20:00

I've shared it too and actually got 6'likes' - which is probably 4 or 5 more than most GC stuff I post, so some progress!

SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito · 10/06/2020 20:04

Ah see I've got an ex student arguing with me. Never mind. I did think I'd taught her more about critical thinking than that, but hey ho.

She thinks I'm just siding with JKR because I like HP. Rather than because I, you know, know what a woman is. Hmm

Lamahaha · 10/06/2020 20:28

I haven't been online much today due to family visit (and my daughter forbids me to sit in front of a screen in the company of her 2 year old daughter) plus we had a 4-hour electrical failure.

So sorry if this Times editorial has already been posted; I just wanted to pop it in before settling down for a cheerful film.

This whole thing has exhausted me. I haven't been on Twitter since Monday.

I did read her letter though! Fantastic. And I got a reply mail from her office after I sent them an email saying that a mailed letter is on its way, saying I'll get a reply "when my letter arrives". So, not just one of those automated replies, it was actually personal. So touching. I love her.

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/the-times-view-on-limiting-free-speech-rowling-is-right-g2tsc57wv

TehBewilderness · 10/06/2020 20:32

@TheIncredibleBookEatingManchot

And as for Joanne Harris... I still love her books, but I don't think I'll ever be able to forget her smug sanctimony sufficiently to buy another one.

I was disappointed in Joanne Harris and her comments about privileged cisgender women pulling up the drawbridge of feminism behind them too.

And Catherynne Valente saying Rowling had flushed herself down the toilet.

I hope they, and everyone who's jumped on the bandwagon, read the article Rowling published on her website today and start to think a bit deeper about the issues.

The don't seem to realize they are parroting the claims men have made against women to dismiss us since the suffrage women from every economic level came together to demand the vote. Now that I think of it the tradition of dismissing women goes back even further.
Heygirlheyboy · 10/06/2020 22:57

Emma Watson has also repeated her earlier comments

Sickoffamilydrama · 10/06/2020 23:08

I have just posted on FB my shock at the comments she's received with a cropped screenshot of those twitter's comments and a link to her piece so far I've had a good reaction we will see though!

teawamutu · 10/06/2020 23:14

I'm assuming that sniveling little shit Redmayne won't be appearing in Fantastic Beasts 3, then?

LockdownLump · 10/06/2020 23:18

This whole thing has exhausted me

Same. Absolutely fucking same.

TheIncredibleBookEatingManchot · 10/06/2020 23:21

TehBewilderness
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The don't seem to realize they are parroting the claims men have made against women to dismiss us since the suffrage women from every economic level came together to demand the vote.
Now that I think of it the tradition of dismissing women goes back even further.*

There's something a bit "cool girl" (not keen on the phrase but can't think of a better one atm) about women rushing into tell the TRAs how they're not like that mean JK Rowling who forgot that she wasn't supposed to have a mind of her own.

As usual women are only valid if they're telling male born people they're brilliant and no one is meant to talk about women.

Sickoffamilydrama · 11/06/2020 08:16

Well I've just be told that I'm erasing trans women's identities and that trans women are women.

I have gently asked how they are women and explained that if we identify men as women then how do we set up health care.

SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito · 11/06/2020 08:17

I had a friend contact me via fb message lady night, having seen the JKR essay. She'd been vaguely aware of the trans argument but the JKR furore had caused her to investigate further and she's now firmly in the GC camp. I think there'll be so many people like that - the sunlight JK Rowling has brought to this is invaluable.