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Do you think JK knew what would happen?

253 replies

Alyssum34456 · 09/06/2020 14:23

She's hinted her views before, but this is the most clearly outspoken she has been. The backlash has been pretty awful tbh. I'm not sure I 100% agree with everything she is saying, but I do not like how she has been treated. Why the world is acting like she has made some 'Trump-like' statement I dont know. Perhaps because being trans is the most recent trending vulnerable group to gain support and influence? So it's a very risky thing to talk about? The fact it can't even be discussed is pretty sad.

I wonder if she realised this would happen. Do you think she had higher hopes that some other admirable high profile names would come to her aid, or at least have a healthy debate? Does she know people who have let her down? Perhaps they realised last minute that it was just too risky a move here's looking at you Dan Radcliffe. I can almost see him sending her a private message "Sorry Jo, really can't do this right now! I'm too young and I need the money from my next woke gig!" Or has he really truly lost touch with her and decided to break ties? Or did she really just decide throw it out there and hope for the best?

A part of me thinks she knew it all along. She is very good at standing out from the crowd. She had had incredible lows in her life. Even if she spends the foreseeable future in a downward disgrace, she has publicly planted a seed and now the initial heat is over people are starting to talk. The BBC even has an article on the Dan Rad response and links to articles about gender critical and what this means for women. I think they are being surprisingly unbiased actually.

The future starts here?

I just hope this doesn't scar her too much.

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merrymouse · 09/06/2020 17:41

There's a discussion on a teachers' group I'm on about what to recommend instead of Harry Potter to kids. Someone had planned an arts week based around HP and now she's scrapped it and looking for a new theme. One teacher bravely said she agreed with JKR and I piped up too. But other than that most people seemed happy to remove HP from schools.

Either this dies down because nobody cares, or people start trying to 'cancel' her and sunlight is shone on the issue.

Genderism only has power when nobody is paying attention.

MarinePsychiatrist · 09/06/2020 17:41

I've only vaguely been following this, can someone explain what backlash she's received, apart from Twitter nonsense?

BaronessFloralBunting · 09/06/2020 17:47

Well Radcliffe didn't post on Twitter, he released a statement apologising for her, which the BBC reported. Are we supposed to be pretending that thousands of abusive messages on Twitter alone are nothing at all? Because I'm one of the most vocal voices here about the meaningless worth-vacuum that is Twitter, and even I know that thousands of abusive messages as a baseline will be upsetting.

MarinePsychiatrist · 09/06/2020 17:52

I just think that JK will clearly have been expecting that, so will cope with it ok. OP mentioned something about publishers refusing to work with her and organisations refusing to be associated with her. Has that happened?

Al1Langdownthecleghole · 09/06/2020 17:59

Banning children from reading HP will be the best get-children-reading-strategy ever.

JK knew what she was doing. Brave lady.

Do you think JK knew what would happen?
FreeKitties · 09/06/2020 18:05

She knew. She fucking new the abuse she was going to get and she did it anyway.

What an incredible woman.

Taswama · 09/06/2020 18:07

She knew. She will have seen what happened to Jenny Murray and Martina before her.

HeyDuggeesCakeBadge · 09/06/2020 18:14

I saw an article on Facebook about this and nearly every single one of the thousands of comments supported her. No one thinks like this outside of twitter and woke circles, no one. It's utterly absurd.

megletthesecond · 09/06/2020 18:16

Yes. And she was prepared for the fall out.

merrymouse · 09/06/2020 18:21

OP mentioned something about publishers refusing to work with her and organisations refusing to be associated with her. Has that happened?

I think a lot of intelligent people have been publicly ignoring this issue because they don't want to deal with the shit. However, if that did happen they would be forced out of silence.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 09/06/2020 18:31

You only have to look at the difference between the Katie Leung twitter feed and that of the SNP MP women saying not all women menstuate.

One full of praise by the,"JK ruined my childhood" lot, who seem to be the ones who think fantasy books about a wizard are real, and the other, whose replies are mostly, WTF are you on about, only women menstruate,

The kids in their Twitter bubble egging each other on.

TorkTorkBam · 09/06/2020 18:33

I had a brief look at the mainstream media coverage. There's not much. What there is has been fanned by Daniel but each article called her anti-trans but showed her full tweets and his wokey blokey lecture statement.

She came out of it looking fine, to an average reader.

DR lecturing her, um, not a good look, to an average reader.

stumbledin · 09/06/2020 18:36

I posted earlier about how the real "storm" is the one the MSM is creating by their over the top headlines about her and the completely unbalnced comment style articles they are publishing. ie all anti JKR non pro woman.

And how none seem to have comments open.

Well here is another on (and it must be right its written by a "cis-lesbian"!!) and it does have comments open [https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jk-rowling-transphobia-lesbian-feminism-blm-harry-potter-a9556296.html]]

CaraDune · 09/06/2020 18:37

The Times has comments open... and they are not pro Daniel. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

stumbledin · 09/06/2020 18:43

Must have missed the Times do you have link? Thanks

kenandbarbie · 09/06/2020 18:44

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stumbledin · 09/06/2020 18:45

Yes in my earlier post I suggested that papers dont open their comments in their pro trans articles because most comments are gender critical or rather just common sense facts of life. That is part of the problem newspapers trying to distort what is real.

CaraDune · 09/06/2020 18:45

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/radcliffe-and-rowling-in-twitter-row-over-transgender-identity-h9nf3kd0p

Sorry, don't seem to be able to manage a share token.

TorkTorkBam · 09/06/2020 18:54

I had a look at The Times comments. Some absolutely cracking hilarious ones. Not in DR's favour at all.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 09/06/2020 18:56

Look at the ratio on the DMs comments too, it's hilarious. 4000+ to 20 Rowling vs Radcliff. Or, you know, sanity versus bollocks.

Thisismytimetoshine · 09/06/2020 19:00

Haha, bet the attention seeking little ferret is regretting jumping in now for his bit of self promotion. Talk about desperate.

atgnat · 09/06/2020 19:00

There are no words.

Do you think JK knew what would happen?
TorkTorkBam · 09/06/2020 19:00

I hope the papers now do an article about beta males lecturing alpha females.

I would love it if some other celebs came out to apologise on Daniel's behalf for his misogynism and mansplaining what a woman is to a woman who had to hide what sex she is to get her books read!

Lordfrontpaw · 09/06/2020 19:01

@Thisismytimetoshine

Haha, bet the attention seeking little ferret is regretting jumping in now for his bit of self promotion. Talk about desperate.
He won’t because his NBFs will be telling him what a good boy he is.