SNP MP wants to talk about menstruation

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Independence looking less likely with every tweet.

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no one is saying you have to have menstruator on your passport

I'm not sure why sex is included on my passport. I think it's reasonable to argue that sex is often requested on official documents when it isn't helpful or relevant.

However, the 'F' on my passport certainly doesn't provide any information about my 'essence' or 'sense of self'.

I wonder what Bunbury would say?

I've just left the SNP. Can't take this shit any more.

And this is what I don't get:

We are told 'TERF is not a slur, what are you getting so uppity about, its just a descriptor and I can call women TERFs if I want to'.

We are told 'Calling women menstruators is not offensive, it's just a descriptor, if you don't want to apply it to yourself then that's fine, but other people can say what they deem appropriate'.

But by God, we refer to adult human with a penis as 'he' or worse 'a man' and we are actually committing the crime of the century, and deserve endless vitriol, some of it violent, thrown our way.

Its all a bit double standards isn't it? Why is it OK to call an adult human female a 'menstruator' when she has made it clear that she finds it offensive, but it's not OK to call an adult human male a 'man' if he doesn't like that?

'Menstruators' is not very inclusive of the women who find it really offensive, is it?

This is the thing. We are supposed to accept this clunky term to avoid causing offense. Yet our offense is dismissed.

Hm, I wonder what the difference could be, Ender, between a transwoman who is offended and a woman who is offended?

Our biology gives us this privilege, you see.

not all trans people are middle aged men wanking off in suspenders or trying to get their bollocks waxed ffs

No, but these are the people who your anger should be targeted at. Not women. The men with various paraphilias who have hijacked the trans movement who have nothing in common with your child but are more than happy using teenage girls as collateral damage to push men's sex rights.

bold of you to assume that I don't have enough anger to go around Whatsnew, or that you are best placed to advise me on where it should be directed.

And, cara, if you check back, my first post on this thread was answering a quote beginning with the question 'how many transmen is this an issue for?'. now (foolishly) I assumed this question had been asked in good faith, and shared my personal experience to show that actually, there are a number of young people identifying as trans for whom it is very much an issue, who are of an age where they do discuss menstruation and puberty, and for whom inclusive language is tremendously helpful. it was not an attempted mic drop. my posts on this have been in good faith. now comes the pile on, interspersed with disingenuous 'oh but who is silencing you'. But I've been here long enough to know what would happen, so shame on me I guess.

So based on the chart, almost half of all "menstruators" aren't women? I know there were an awful lot of young women transitioning but that would represent one hell of a jump in numbers.

As I think someone said previously, I am happy to call someone a 'menstruator' if they so wish. And the phrase 'women and menstruators' would include everyone. How come that's not on offer?

@Enderthedragon

'Menstruators' is not very inclusive of the women who find it really offensive, is it?

Our role is to include, not feel included. We're the support humans.

MadameButterface You have my genuine sympathy. I have a friend in your very position and I have a non-conforming child I am watching very closely. This is a very hard situation and I think you would actually find that there are parents on the thread posted that may help. Truly your decision.

I (and as many others have actually posted their agreeance) agree that female is very good word to use. It has been however sometimes violently rejected as an alternative. Hence why we are in this situation of fighting over language that is not serving anyone well and for my perspective is dehumanising to women. I, also, would be much happier to have the focus on the NHS leading the way in providing excellence in immediate mental health support while waiting for other support.

It is also important, however, to acknowledge the legal ramifications for our daughters and their future women's rights. This is a major part of the real discussion. The outrage you see is women feeling completely unsupported in standing up for these protections and ensuring that the rights of transgender people sit neatly with women's rights without erosion. Can it be done? Hard to know when the Equality Act has been misinterpreted to suit a lobby groups agenda based on the conflating of sex and gender.

But perhaps you know all of this.

I wish you well and that your child gets the outside support they need and that you do also.

and for whom inclusive language is tremendously helpful

I understand the point you are making, but that does not make it less relevant that without language to describes sex class, sex based discrimination is enabled.

You have suggested 'female', but, as far as I understand it is not considered acceptable to refer to transwomen as 'male'.

Why is reality not acceptable?

"No one is saying you have to have menstuator on your passport..."

I find been called menstator offensive in the same way I find beed called a cunt offensive. Neither is likely to be put on my passport, but I won't except either term, even if a strangers kid find it 'helpful' to use the term. This does not mean I wish your daughter ill, in fact I hope she receives whatever help she needs, just not at my detriment.

When I was a kid the SNP were a minority party of oddballs (well where we were anyway). When the canvassing cars used to come around with the loudspeakers, us kids used to shout rude words at them.

I don’t think much has changed in 40 years.

There is no need to call women "menstruators" as we are already called women.

The only good thing about all this is that my partner is an SNP supporter but was properly shocked to hear these lunatic ideas. He's one of the "och, as long as people are happy i don't care what they do" brigade but hadn't realised this was actual
Policy and is not impressed.

My son asked me as they're renaming women, what are they calling men..??? He's not impressed either, though only 13

I'm still confused about how they got from Tartan Tories to The Wokest In All The Land. And not convinced they're not still the same underneath all the bollocks.

The plethora of organisations grooming children into believing they must have this special language for their special identity are at fault here and they do by and large appear to be run by middle aged males.

The posters here are not causing this awful situation. The opposite in fact, most support stopping this awful trade in human misery.

I snorted at the comment talking about ‘people who shit’ in regard to bowel cancer. Yes let’s all reduce everyone to excretions.

#people who menstruate
#people who ejaculate
#people who lactate
#people who shit

I was going to say, if we all started calling people with IBS "shitters" I don't think they'd be any more willing to take it lying down than women are "menstruators".

I posted the question about transmen and menstruation - something along the lines of "why don't they prevent it?" Like any other female who doesn't want to bleed, for whatever reason. It was asked in good faith and I'm not sneering at anyone.

Hadn't thought about young girls with gender differences, I had in my mind adult transmen. Fair point.

Kids are a whole other ball game.

What I said about testosterone is true, though, please don't let your child go on T, Madam Butterface. It's soon going to be a giant health crisis for this group of people. They will start having strokes and heart attacks because of the lack of oestrogen in their female bodies. I am really very worried about them.

@TheProdigalKittensReturn

I'm still confused about how they got from Tartan Tories to The Wokest In All The Land. And not convinced they're not still the same underneath all the bollocks.

The SNP are nothing if not adaptable. One reason I find their intransigence on this particular item quite odd. Previously, they've been very careful to monitor what the current popular issues are, and align themselves accordingly.

You've gotta give the poor deluded eejit credit for having done it on graph paper, with a compass, to make it look all properly scientific and all

This person you are calling a “deluded eejit”
is a member of parliament
This is someone people felt inspired confidence to put in charge of helping run the country
This is someone who is paid by the government from people’s taxes.

Frightening?