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Daniel Radcliffe responds to J.K Rowling's tweets on gender identity

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EddyF · 09/06/2020 04:40

Daniel Radcliffe responds to JK Rowling’s tweets: “Transgender women are women. Any statement to the contrary erases the identity and dignity of transgender people”

Daniel Radcliffe Responds to J.K. Rowling’s Tweets on Gender Identity – The Trevor Project

FULL STATEMENT

I realize that certain press outlets will probably want to paint this as in-fighting between J.K. Rowling and myself, but that is really not what this is about, nor is it what’s important right now. While Jo is unquestionably responsible for the course my life has taken, as someone who has been honored to work with and continues to contribute to The Trevor Project for the last decade, and just as a human being, I feel compelled to say something at this moment.

Transgender women are women. Any statement to the contrary erases the identity and dignity of transgender people and goes against all advice given by professional health care associations who have far more expertise on this subject matter than either Jo or I. According to The Trevor Project, 78% of transgender and nonbinary youth reported being the subject of discrimination due to their gender identity. It’s clear that we need to do more to support transgender and nonbinary people, not invalidate their identities, and not cause further harm.

I am still learning how to be a better ally, so if you want to join me in learning more about transgender and nonbinary identities check out The Trevor Project’s Guide to Being an Ally to Transgender and Nonbinary Youth. It’s an introductory educational resource that covers a wide range of topics, including the differences between sex and gender, and shares best practices on how to support transgender and nonbinary people.

To all the people who now feel that their experience of the books has been tarnished or diminished, I am deeply sorry for the pain these comments have caused you. I really hope that you don’t entirely lose what was valuable in these stories to you. If these books taught you that love is the strongest force in the universe, capable of overcoming anything; if they taught you that strength is found in diversity, and that dogmatic ideas of pureness lead to the oppression of vulnerable groups; if you believe that a particular character is trans, nonbinary, or gender fluid, or that they are gay or bisexual; if you found anything in these stories that resonated with you and helped you at any time in your life — then that is between you and the book that you read, and it is sacred. And in my opinion nobody can touch that. It means to you what it means to you and I hope that these comments will not taint that too much.

Love always,
Dan

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littlbrowndog · 09/06/2020 10:16

He is a adult man telling an adult woman what to say and when to say it and in what way he wants her to say it

And also apologising for what she said

An adult man

Dances · 09/06/2020 10:17

We have not lost Valancy, not by a long shot.

beachdreaming2020 · 09/06/2020 10:17

What a completely dickish thing to publish, it also seems a little desperate - is he touting for work or patronage/sponsorship of some sort? Or does he receive HP royalties and is he worried about his income being damaged?
He is literally nothing in comparison to Rowling.

Hullygully · 09/06/2020 10:17

he's just an actor who happened to be lucky enough to play the iconic HP.

the end.

his views are those of someone who wants acting jobs.

wot a cowardly cunt he is

TheShoesa · 09/06/2020 10:18

thisisawful

actually i think it was because she defined women as people who menstruate

No, she didn't. She defined people who menstruate as women, subtle difference. Only women menstruate, but that does not mean that all women menstruate or that post pubescent females who don't menstruate are not women.

Z0rr0 · 09/06/2020 10:18

So, erm I only read the first page of the thread. This blew up. And now what I came to post doesn't seem that relevant. But it was relevant to a post someone made on page 1.

This was in Tom Farr's article that he posted here yesterday about JK Rowling and the Trojan Horse of misogyny:

^While women as a sex class regularly receive the short end of the stick for no other reason that they happen to be women living under patriarchy, the responses to Rowling’s tweet — as well as more generally the grotesque and abusive threats other women have been on the receiving end for years for taking the same position — perfectly crystallise the rank hypocrisy of modern Leftists in their desire to reach as-of-yet unobtained levels of Wokeness.

No clearer can this be seen than in the parallel response of these same people to the idiotic phrase “all lives matter”. Following the horrific and brutal murder of George Floyd by the psychotic Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin and his equally-despicable accomplice officers, protests rightly erupted across the world in an attempt to draw attention to the abhorrent, systemic racism faced by black people at every level of society.

At the centre of this movement is the understanding that white people can never truly empathise with the oppression faced by black people, due to historical and present-day white supremacy that has ingrained this cultural bias on a level that is too deeply rooted to be absolved by simply stating: “I am not racist”. In fact, there has been considerable effort to ensure that the marginalised voices within the black community — be they “women, queer and transgender people” — are properly platformed to ensure the movement does not: “replicate harmful practices that excluded so many in past movements for liberation”. In other words, let’s not just listen to black men.

This of course makes perfect sense. Kimberlé Crenshaw recognised this all the way back in 1989 with her seminal journal article examining the intersection of race and sex, and arguing that we should not simply see oppression through the prism of one power structure. It is understandable therefore that the platforming of different voices within the Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement is important to understanding the various intersections of discrimination faced by black people of different cultural demographics. Obviously, and this should go without saying, this is predicated on these people being black.

If I were to start demanding the BLM movement centre my voice as a white man, I would rightly be told to take a long walk off a short pier, not least because I do not have the requisite lived experience of those within the black community who have suffered under systemic racism. Why, then, has Rowling been subjected to a very public witch hunt simply for stating that she has a specific lived experience as a female?^

Z0rr0 · 09/06/2020 10:19

Dangit I messed up the italics.

echt · 09/06/2020 10:19

It is only insulting to use 'woman' to refer to people who are female if you attach loads of offensive gender rubbish tot he word 'woman'.
It is just a statement of fact that shouldn't be any more offensive than your blood type

Your blood type is an ineluctable part of who you are. It is a fact.

As is being a woman.

HTH

RedToothBrush · 09/06/2020 10:20

www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-52975994
Daniel Radcliffe hopes JK Rowling trans tweets don't 'taint' Harry Potter

Fuck off Dan.
Fuck off BBC.

Why is this newbeat rather than normal news?

Daniel Radcliffe is in his 30s.

This is specifically aimed at saying older woman is wrong, to a young audience.

I thought we had established that the BBC had a problem with older women and fixed it. Clearly not.

RedToothBrush · 09/06/2020 10:21

So BBC report it in not just sexist way. But also agist.

Nothing new there then.

FFSFFSFFS · 09/06/2020 10:21

@thisisawful

the abuse on here

Before you live and given that you feel so strongly about not being rude - would be helpful if you could point out the abuse you say there has been on this post. Many people have asked you - would it not be rude not to respond given that this is the basis for your argument?

FFSFFSFFS · 09/06/2020 10:21

leave not live...

langclegflavoredbananamush · 09/06/2020 10:21

I am so upset by all of this. I think we've lost. Women have lost. A generation of gender non conforming girls transed, no more women's sport, women sexuslly assaulted in prison. Porn and prostitution being celebrated (separate to this issue I know). I am just in despair this morning.

It ain't over till it's over.... We're making progress on other fronts, like the fabulous Safe Schools Alliance, and this shitshow is making more and more people aware of the toxicity that is being directed at women, and the toxicity of some of those who are demanding we surrender every boundary to them.

timetest · 09/06/2020 10:23

Arrogant man. How dare he apologise for a woman’s point of view.

BananaChocolateLump · 09/06/2020 10:23

Sorry no. Transgender women aren't women

Enderthedragon · 09/06/2020 10:23

No, she didn't. She defined people who menstruate as women, subtle difference.

Except its not a 'subtle' difference at all, its just that people are just very hard of thinking (or are wilfully misinterpreting what she said, I can't figure out which it is tbh).

littlbrowndog · 09/06/2020 10:24

Nice piece by Tom on this

medium.com/@tom_farr/j-k-rowling-and-the-trojan-horse-of-misogyny-db618814d9de

littlbrowndog · 09/06/2020 10:25

Oh heck I should off read up thread. See someone posted already

ThinEndoftheWedge · 09/06/2020 10:26

I am so upset by all of this. I think we've lost.

Twitter is not real life. Idiot actors in their bubbles is not real life.

We need sunlight and exposure. This gives it.

Thousands will read in the papers what JK has written and think - but - what’s wrong with what she’s said - it’s true.

2BthatUnnoticed · 09/06/2020 10:26

How bizarre for Daniel (a man) to “correct” Joanne (a woman) as to what a woman is.

Or just massively misogynistic.

merrymouse · 09/06/2020 10:27

I came on this thread to talk about the posts being made here, on mumsnet.

Which posts?

For what its worth I do not think that anything about a trans person's identity is 'invalid' or 'inauthentic'. I don't think an identity can be 'invalid' or 'inauthentic'. Your identity is just your personality.

However, I don't think it is necessary to classify personalities.

I do think women need sex based rights, and we have hundreds of years of evidence to explain why. I think women need specific protections and services. I think that insisting the term 'male' or 'female' refers to a particular set of acceptable behaviours is restrictive and harmful. I think insisting that that the word 'woman' can mean anything makes it impossible to protect women's rights in law.

I can explain what I have in common, medically, with any woman or transman or non-binary person born female, whether they are Hillary Clinton or Katie Price.

I don't know what I am supposed to have in common with Caitlyn Jenner, beyond the fact that we are both human, or why it is helpful to group us together. That is not a slur on Caitlyn Jenner. We might have a lot in common, and I think shared humanity is a better basis for friendship than shared taxonomy.

It's just that I need sex based rights.

MittensTheSerpent · 09/06/2020 10:28

He should rightfully stand by his convictions and donate every penny he's made from Harry Potter to charity.

merrymouse · 09/06/2020 10:29

I think we've lost. Women have lost.

I don't agree - the more they raise the stakes, the less easy it is for people to keep quiet.

FFSFFSFFS · 09/06/2020 10:29

oh that is a GOOD article

CaraDune · 09/06/2020 10:29

Thank you @TomFarr (I think he was on here under that user name at one point). And thanks for the link, LBD.