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Daniel Radcliffe responds to J.K Rowling's tweets on gender identity

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EddyF · 09/06/2020 04:40

Daniel Radcliffe responds to JK Rowling’s tweets: “Transgender women are women. Any statement to the contrary erases the identity and dignity of transgender people”

Daniel Radcliffe Responds to J.K. Rowling’s Tweets on Gender Identity – The Trevor Project

FULL STATEMENT

I realize that certain press outlets will probably want to paint this as in-fighting between J.K. Rowling and myself, but that is really not what this is about, nor is it what’s important right now. While Jo is unquestionably responsible for the course my life has taken, as someone who has been honored to work with and continues to contribute to The Trevor Project for the last decade, and just as a human being, I feel compelled to say something at this moment.

Transgender women are women. Any statement to the contrary erases the identity and dignity of transgender people and goes against all advice given by professional health care associations who have far more expertise on this subject matter than either Jo or I. According to The Trevor Project, 78% of transgender and nonbinary youth reported being the subject of discrimination due to their gender identity. It’s clear that we need to do more to support transgender and nonbinary people, not invalidate their identities, and not cause further harm.

I am still learning how to be a better ally, so if you want to join me in learning more about transgender and nonbinary identities check out The Trevor Project’s Guide to Being an Ally to Transgender and Nonbinary Youth. It’s an introductory educational resource that covers a wide range of topics, including the differences between sex and gender, and shares best practices on how to support transgender and nonbinary people.

To all the people who now feel that their experience of the books has been tarnished or diminished, I am deeply sorry for the pain these comments have caused you. I really hope that you don’t entirely lose what was valuable in these stories to you. If these books taught you that love is the strongest force in the universe, capable of overcoming anything; if they taught you that strength is found in diversity, and that dogmatic ideas of pureness lead to the oppression of vulnerable groups; if you believe that a particular character is trans, nonbinary, or gender fluid, or that they are gay or bisexual; if you found anything in these stories that resonated with you and helped you at any time in your life — then that is between you and the book that you read, and it is sacred. And in my opinion nobody can touch that. It means to you what it means to you and I hope that these comments will not taint that too much.

Love always,
Dan

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ValancyRedfern · 09/06/2020 10:04

I am so upset by all of this. I think we've lost. Women have lost. A generation of gender non conforming girls transed, no more women's sport, women sexuslly assaulted in prison. Porn and prostitution being celebrated (separate to this issue I know). I am just in despair this morning.

scrappydappydoooooo · 09/06/2020 10:04

If someone says "only humans can drive" do they get thousands of people jumping on them demanding to know if that means they think people who can't drive aren't humans?

PaddlingPoolAgain · 09/06/2020 10:04

BashStreetKid Is it absurd to call Jan Morris a woman?

Yes. HTH.

"Woman" is a biological category. Following gender stereotypes doesn't make you a woman. Why do you want to uphold these harmful gender stereotypes?

thisisawful There are a lot of comments on here which come across as prejudiced, unkind, inhumane - NOT as fighting for women's rights or even relevant to women's rights.

It is highly relevant to women's rights than men are pretending to be women and trying to change laws on that basis.

There's been a lot talk in wokedom over the last week defending the actions of activists, even celebrating violent actions. Like, actual violence not just words. Why do you think activists for women's right's should be any different?

ValancyRedfern · 09/06/2020 10:05

And I'm not even allowed to name the thing I'm despairing about.

Pinklynx · 09/06/2020 10:05

@thisisawful still waiting for the screenshots of your series of Tweets attacking the abuse directed at JKR on her Twitter account. And saying they are burdening others with their uncomfortable emotions.

BringbackLang · 09/06/2020 10:06

Yeah but they don't, dances, they jump on what they think people say without paying attention. I mean look at all the BS reaction over JKR's tweets - it's as though they've seen a completely different thing from other people.

But then again denying someone's identity is the worst thing ever in the world ever according to them. Even worse than threatening someone with rape and telling them to die because they won't go with the program.

merrymouse · 09/06/2020 10:06

In 1914 women were not regarded as 'fully human'.

first100years.org.uk/a-woman-is-not-a-person-a-review-of-bebb-v-the-law-society-1914/

Women had to fight for access to education and work. Nobody gave them an opt out because they identified as male. If you can't talk about women as a sex class, you can't protect women from the discrimination they suffer because they are members of that class.

backseatcookers · 09/06/2020 10:07

Germaine was right, they really do hate us.

Michelleoftheresistance · 09/06/2020 10:07

I wish you'd stop @ ing, I'm right here on the thread.

Yes, you are lecturing people here, me included, on how to feel. You're most certainly doing your best to tone police, and you've got very little more than some superior attitude that female people are not being sufficiently nice about the damage being done to them here.

None of which you've acknowledged or engaged with. And you're apparently surprised that this is proving somewhat annoying and insulting to those reading your posts.

NotBadConsidering · 09/06/2020 10:08

I wish you'd stop @ ing, I'm right here on the thread

People who are new often do this.

Enderthedragon · 09/06/2020 10:08

Mummy isn't meant to have emotions. Mummy is meant to be the Cosmic Boob, providing sustenance and comfort and never, ever having needs of her own. Baby gets very angry when baby realizes that mummy has a life outside of caring for baby.

This is essentially what DR has said with his 'apology' isn't it? That he is sorry that JKR isn't providing these people with all that they need, that in her actually giving her an opinion of her own she has ceased to provide comfort to these people, that he is sorry that JKR has come out as an actual person with actual views that these people might not like. He is apologising for JKR being a real person.

Fucking grim.

Pinklynx · 09/06/2020 10:08

@thisisawful are you telling the TRAs that their vitriol should really be directed at the MEN who abuse and commit violence against them, not a woman who doesn't like the fact men are trying to remove the word woman from public discourse or as a descriptive term.

thisisawful · 09/06/2020 10:09

@FFSFFSFFS I didn't say what Rowling said was an attack. I came on this thread to talk about the posts being made here, on mumsnet.

@notbadconsidering I post a lot on mumsnet, normally about the sort of things mumsnet was set up for. Yes, I am female and I menstruate in case you are wondering.

Anyway, I have to get on. Will leave you to it.

FFSFFSFFS · 09/06/2020 10:09

@thisisawful

how many prejudicial, rude and insulting comments there are on this thread

Can you please highlight the comments which you think show prejudice (defined as "preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience"), rude and insulting?

EchoCardioGran · 09/06/2020 10:10

After Equus, Daniel Radcliffe should just be honest, and admit that he identifies as My Little Pony.

merrymouse · 09/06/2020 10:10

but how many prejudicial, rude and insulting comments there are on this thread.

Which comments?

It is only insulting to use 'woman' to refer to people who are female if you attach loads of offensive gender rubbish tot he word 'woman'.

It is just a statement of fact that shouldn't be any more offensive than your blood type.

Enderthedragon · 09/06/2020 10:10

I didn't say what Rowling said was an attack. I came on this thread to talk about the posts being made here, on mumsnet.

And yet you haven't managed to reference any that say that trans people shouldn't be treated as humans?

Michelleoftheresistance · 09/06/2020 10:11

I came on this thread to talk about the posts being made here, on mumsnet.

Not to engage with the issues though. Just to woke scold women for having a thread where they were being angry and not nice enough. Confused

YinMnBlue · 09/06/2020 10:12

The fucking cheek of him.

I respect the views of women who are less GC than me and have a Considered debate without slinging insults but really, a man telling a woman how she should act, and how she should define herself?

‘Taint’? How very patronising.

thisisawful · 09/06/2020 10:12

@Pinklynx are you telling the TRAs that their vitriol should really be directed at the MEN who abuse and commit violence against them yes, yes, yes, yes, yes a million times yes. And bear in mind that not all trans people are anything to do with the trans activists. They aren't right. Nor is the abuse on here.

I am out now

OvaHere · 09/06/2020 10:12

There's nothing really surprising about a man pulling down a successful woman, even if that woman once gave him a career opportunity.

I doubt Radcliffe even wrote that statement. He's just another useful idiot in a long line of them.

The fact the statement is all about TWAW, nothing about TM or women is indicative of the underlying motive - men upholding the male supremacy in whatever way suits them best.

differentnameforthis · 09/06/2020 10:13

@JayAlfredPrufrock

What’s he doing these days? Work wise.
He was an interactive Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt special on Netflix as a drippy Prince who marries Kimmy
rabbitwoman · 09/06/2020 10:14

Nope, I love DR and still do.

The things he said echos so many people I know - a lot of teenagers, mothers.... And they are just equating JK'S comments with racism and homophobia, which is what they have been told. Of course, racism and homophobia is wrong, therefore if JK is sayi g this gs that equate to homophobia and racism she must be wrong, and we know that because we are being told that, by Munroe Bergdof and Rachel Mackinnon and Jessica Yaniv and Lily Madigan and Aimee Challenor and....

Oh. Hang on....

rabbitwoman · 09/06/2020 10:15

(literally my thought process, there. But obviously, the more I have read about it and thought about it, the more I have realised that this is not about transgender folk and their rights at all)

mummmy2017 · 09/06/2020 10:15

So a man can now be classed as a woman in Scotland.
Have they redefined the bit where a woman can not be classed as a man?
Because if I was a woman who was going to lose my title to a male family member, I would change sex on paper and fight the in the courts to claim the title from when my father passed.
The joke is I think lots of us would help fund the court case.