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GMB Statement on transphobia

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MingeofDeath · 26/05/2020 09:13

www.gmb.org.uk/online-Q-A

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SunsetBeetch · 26/05/2020 11:12

It's not enough, of course.

"Too little, too late. You knew Mumsnet was an anti trans platform and chose to turn off replies to your tweet. Whoever did that has anti-trans sympathies and until we have a better explanation, this is a big concern. If you can't get this right, what chance do we have"

twitter.com/LGBTTeacherUK/status/1264992760400089089?s=19

GMB Statement on transphobia
SunsetBeetch · 26/05/2020 11:13

Honestly, telling the TRAs to fuck off would have been easier.

HereWeGoAgain234 · 26/05/2020 11:15

This is so disappointing. Wake up GMB. These twitter activists are telling you that being a mum is “anti trans”. No

But then unions thought that equal pay for women was “anti men” having nice big wage packets not v long ago so I think understand that this is difficult.

HereWeGoAgain234 · 26/05/2020 11:17

Sometimes the needs and rights of your membership conflict (big pay packet for your male workers v equal pay for women)

Your instincts to protect men’s interests was wrong back then. And your instincts to bow down to twitter activism due to fear of “reputational damage” are wrong now.

MForstater · 26/05/2020 11:19

Dear GMB

I hope you are reading this thread.

It is surprising you didn't think through how you would react to the inevitable cries of "transphobia" that would come from hosting a discussion on Mumsnet. Perhaps haven't been following this debate closely. Perhaps you panicked? (perhaps we might take this opportunity to fill you in....?)

Mumsnet is not transphobic - take a look at the moderation principles for this part of the site www.mumsnet.com/info/trans-rights-moderation-policy

What Mumsnet is is one of the few places where women have been able to talk about the implications of "gender self ID" and the move to replace sex with self identified gender for women's rights. This does not mean that we do not respect the human rights of transgender people -- no one should be discriminated or harassed for not conforming with restrictive gender norms.

Mumsnet is incessantly targeted by people who would prefer that women not speak.

It is disappointing beyond belief that a union that represents so many women would collude in this.

If we cannot talk about women as a sex then we cannot talk about and protect women's rights.

I lost my job for speaking about this. You can hear my story here:

I recently lost an employment tribunal hearing on the question of whether my belief that sex is real, immutable and important is something that you should not lose your job for (similar to other beliefs like Scottish nationalism and ethical veganism). The case is going to appeal.

There are thousands of women who are being made afraid for their jobs for speaking up about women's rights -- thousands who are anonymous on sites like Mumsnet and Twitter. Many in your membership.

They deserve employment protection and a union that stands up for one, not one that caves when a few bullies smear their name.

Dances · 26/05/2020 11:36

Horrified. Time for a women's union.

OvaHere · 26/05/2020 11:42

Kiri Tunks - Trade Unionist and co founder of WPUK

GMB Statement on transphobia
RoyalCorgi · 26/05/2020 11:44

Having a general secretary who's been accused of sexual assaulting female employees isn't enough for GMB! Just in case there was some doubt about the contempt in which it holds its female members, it pulls this particular stunt.

Half of GMB's members are women. Let's hope they show what they think of their union's revolting misogyny.

ThinEndoftheWedge · 26/05/2020 11:45

This has pushed me to pay for the premium site. I wasn't going to but this has spurred me on.

Yep. Will do tonight.

I suggest all of us who can do so, to support those of us (many no doubt) who don’t have the funds.

LouHotel · 26/05/2020 11:53

I'm a GMB member so will be constructing an email tonight. Who do we think is the best person to send complaints to?

HereWeGoAgain234 · 26/05/2020 11:53

GMB so nearly got it right. Women are overwhelmingly negatively impacted by Covid employment regimes. It was so refreshing to see that studies were undertaken proving this and then the unions took action on it.

Unions know that educating workers about their rights is the first step to attaining those rights. And so many mums use Mumsnet; millions of us.

Mums with opinions about equality and about Sex; maybe even philosophical beliefs about sex. And those philosophical beliefs are soon to be recognised as protected characteristics.

It’s a real shame to let twitter activists dictate who the union chooses to support. A shame and also perpetuating inequality as mums really are at the bottom of the heap right now.

We’re not on Twitter doing activism because we are homeschooling, working, cleaning and cooking from dusk til dawn. Twitter activism is a luxury we don’t have time for (the only reason I can write this is because it’s half term)

JulesJules · 26/05/2020 11:57

Fucking wankers. I wonder why FB and Twitter are OK, but not Mumsnet, hmm let me think...

mcduffy · 26/05/2020 11:59

Glad I signed up for premium, too. How chilling Sad

Fandoozle1 · 26/05/2020 12:00

Arseholes.

JellySlice · 26/05/2020 12:03

Together we are always stronger. Our fight for equality will always be at the heart of what we do.

Except, not women.

howonearthdidwegethere · 26/05/2020 12:18

GMB:

Seems to me like GMB has a woman problem.

Yes, we need our own union.

littlbrowndog · 26/05/2020 12:43

Omg. Ffs what spineless people

Support women does not mean you can’t also support transgender people

What happened to supporting women ?

RoxytheRexy · 26/05/2020 12:47

Unions have always been all about the men. No change really.

Yes to a female specific union

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 26/05/2020 12:49

Given what happened with Tim Roache this isn't exactly a surprise, is it? To hell with basic union principles, they have manfeels to attend to!

Datun · 26/05/2020 12:54

Absolute idiots. The rest of the country is clapping for nurses and caregivers, whilst the GMB withdraw their support.

Datun · 26/05/2020 12:55

Honestly. The patriarchal control is breathtaking.

We won't support you because you're talking about stuff we don't want you to.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 26/05/2020 12:56

Given the long history of sexism in the unions this is really, really not a good look.

SunsetBeetch · 26/05/2020 12:57

Apparently James Felton (who has been mentioned on here before) was involved in this?

I'd never heard of him before, now here he is,smearing his mysogyny around.

Z0rr0 · 26/05/2020 12:58

Now I remember why I stopped following James Felton. What an arsehole. I bet he's feeling really proud of himself now. Ugh.

Datun · 26/05/2020 12:59

I don't think these misogynists have quite got the new memo. The tide has turned, mate.