Can women identify sex better than men?

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I've just finished watching DEVS on BBC with DH (brilliant series if anyone is looking for something to watch by the way).
Anyway, in relation to the character of Lyndon - before any pronouns were used I automatically was referring to her as she etc as I just naturally assumed that she was female. DH didn't know who I was referring to at first and we ended up a 'that's a woman' / 'no that's a young lad' discussion until I decided to just Google it. Now the character is meant to be a male, however the actor is a female. To me it was glaringly obvious that she is a female, although she clearly presented androgynously. But DH genuinely thought it was a man.
It got me wondering whether men just don't have the same instinctual ability to see the subtle differences and are more taken in my how people might 'present'. We see so frequently people really trying to convince us that men in dresses can truly 'pass', and now I'm starting to think perhaps some people can't actually see the difference.
Just for the record, DH is GC and totally supports the radfem movement in relation to gender and modern trans-issues, he's not some woke dude-bro.

Just keep chumming the waters, sooner or later someone will bite.

Snork!

(So bloody obvious, like a terrier with a tea-towel..)

Dido like you I'm quite bad at noticing trans identified people of either sex but I do notice those who don't "pass" well.

There do seem to be an increasing number. I think as time goes on people have more confidence in identifying in their chosen gender.

My DD always notices, even those who pass well.

I showed my DS (13) and my DD (10) a picture of Alex Drummond recently and asked "what sex is this person?" My DS said "whatever they want it to be" and my DD looked at me as though I had horns growing out of my head and said "male"

Animals can easily tell the difference between men and women. It has significant implications for scientific research as lab animals behave entirely differently if their carer is male or female:

www.scientificamerican.com/article/male-researchers-stress-out-rodents/

Anecdotal: the first I knew of a transwoman joining our office and using the female toilets was the horrific smell in them. Absolutely Male wee smells entirely different.

I also think if men are worse at identifying sex it may be why trans women think they pass - they’ve only asked males or people who aren’t going to break their fantasy by telling them they look like a bloke in a frock.

Never once noticed a trans woman in a public toilet. I can only assume trans people either pass a lot better than most posters on here would have me believe or are actually far fewer in number than posters on here would have me believe

Not long ago, sometime last year a load of us identified as gender free or genderfree cant remember which.
As this was not our assigned gender at birth, we are all trans. This is within the rules laid out by stonewall themselves, so we were not taking the piss.
But I bet you cant tell us apart from women.

My teenage DS is frequently mistaken for a girl even though he doesn't look feminine to me at all, he just has hair down to the middle of his back, that's it. It is more often by men, but also some women. I can usually identify sex in school aged children without a problem.

Not long ago, sometime last year a load of us identified as gender free or genderfree cant remember which
As this was not our assigned gender at birth, we are all trans. This is within the rules laid out by stonewall themselves, so we were not taking the piss
But I bet you cant tell us apart from women

How disingenuous. You know perfectly well that is not what posters mean.

I thought it was perfectly ingenuous.

When dogs can tell the difference I bet it's nothing to do with clothes or fucking pronouns either.

I look androgynous and get mistaken for the wrong gender all the time. There's not a noticeable split regarding who gets it wrong and right.

Children are hilarious and will just walk right up to me and loudly say 'Are you a boy or a girl?' Their parents are usually horrified, having not realised that if I wanted to look more obviously male or female, I would choose to.

Eckhart I got 'Mummy, what's that?' once. I was a 17 year old girl with a buzz cut.

Catling That's brilliant. Kids rock. I love their lack of inhibition. I bet that child's mummy nearly died right there and then :)

Yes, kids are very good at not playing along with the bullshit.

Smell is just so obvious!. Male smell is just so totally obvious.

I agree. My point was these are usually overwhelmed by artifical scent.
Was out walking yesterday and passed a group of people on the path so gave each other a wide berth (about 3m) as you do.
When the men passed, could smell nothing. The women - could smell each of their individual perfumes.

That's true about dogs, actually. Mine can tell the difference. If a woman she doesn't know comes into my house, she's fine. If a man comes in, the dog shouts for about 10 minutes!

So there must be something, pheromones, maybe, something not consciously detectable.

But as for who can sense it more... perhaps it's just individual rather than linked to sex? In terms of evolution, it would be necessary for cave-people of both sexes to be able to tell the difference without the use of a frock or a specific hairstyle.

I thought it was perfectly ingenuous

Then why all the fuss? If trans people are indistinguishable from "genderfree FWR " posters?

I clock transwomen all the time when I'm not even looking or really being observant

said one poster- several others said similar. So on the one hand trans people are being "clocked all the time" yet on the other they are indistinguishable.

Our neighbours have a rescue dog that was ill-treated by the previous owner and now won't go anywhere near men. Really kicks off if one goes near him. Whenever I hear that an animal has been mistreated my first thought is that it was a man wot did it. LassOfFido will be along in a bit to call me names. I'll get over it.

I have never "fussed".

www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/the-human-equation/201207/female-animal-abusers

Well, it's not always a man wot did it, so your assumption could well be wrong. That's up to you though. I assume you don't work in animal welfare, so your assumption is unlikely to matter.

HorseRadishFemish

I have never "fussed"

I didn't say you did. Do you always assume a post is about you?

To rephrase it then why the countless trans threads if trans people are indistinguishable from "gender free" posters?

And do stop making things up. I actually care far more about animal rights than women's rights. Animals can't speak up for themselves.

I see however Eckhart has replied to your question about the danger of making assumptions.

To rephrase it then why the countless trans threads if trans people
are indistinguishable from "gender free" posters
I never said ALL trans people are indistinguishable, I said the gender free from fwr look a lot like women. If all it takes to change ones gender is to say it, then what will stop men, real men, possibly ill intentioned men from coming into women only spaces?
I am gender free by the way, I'm currently (for the last however long furlough has been) wearing mens shorts and t shirt. Sod the bra right now and I've got pretty underwear. I also dont identify as woman, I just am woman. By stonewall's own list of what makes trans I am trans.
Therefore I demand my own set of toilets for people just like me. We are not many but we are vocal.

And do stop making things up. I actually care far more about animal rights than women's rights. Animals can't speak up for themselves

Yeah we can tell, that look when someone wants to throw women under the nearest bus.

Yes, kids are very good at not playing along with the bullshit.

What’s the bullshit you’re referring to? The way Eckhart looks?

I thought the argument was that children can tell which sex people are. I don’t think they can particularly, my experience is they tend to go on very stereotypical visual markers like hair length.

So in that sense they very much do play along with the gender stereotype bullshit.

I think perhaps the bullshit of nobody daring to ask the question.

Children do go on simple markers. It's why androgeny confuses them.

I didn't say you did. Do you always assume a post is about you?

I didn't say that you said I did.

Please do not assume things about me.

Have you told us all that you're not a feminist today?

LassOfFido will be along in a bit to call me names

You know a lot about name calling don't you. You made a very ignorant assumption in relation to animal cruelty.