Creepy AGP reviews on M&S website

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I've noticed quite a few online reviews from men of M&S lingerie. These knickers are the latest I've seen. 3 reviews, 2 of which are by men.
I get the feeling that the review is part of the AGP fetish. It reminds me of flashing in that it's intended to make women/girls feel uncomfortable/shocked/embarrassed. I've seen men reviewing bras from the "Angel" first bra range too.

Witch you have entirely missed the point. No one cares if men wear knickers if they want to, even if they have been designed for the female anatomy and not to support their balls. The point is that these men clearly only post reviews because they get a thrill from it. That is creepy.

Normal womans review/normal mans review

Fits well and washes really well.fab quality item. Excellent value for money Nd great customer service.

These arent the reviews we are talking about though are they witch . They are absolutely part of the fetish

If he gets a private thrill out of it

There's nothing private about it

Since I clicked on the link, Facebook keep advertising these pants at me! They're pretty vile already without the added association of the reviews...

Well I clicked on OP's link and was shocked to see that none of the models featured were transwomen.

Someone should point out to M&S that this is literal violence.

The thing is Witch, you aren’t going against the grain. I, and I’m sure many other posters here, agree with every word you say. In fact a lot of the comments you have made would be seen as hugely transphobic.

Everyone can wear what they like. Men want to wear those knickers, carry on.
The problem is that they are using the reviews section for sexual excitement. It’s got bugger all to do with what people wear and everything to do was facilitating wank fantasies.

witch
The power play going on isn't the supposedly subversive "power" of wearing clothes stereotypically for the opposite sex!! You're talking to a bunch of feminists here ffs! Of course most of us couldn't care less what clothes other humans choose to wear. Feminists aren't the ones trying to go backwards with strict adherence to gendered stereotypes.

The power play is that these male reviewers know they can write wank fantasies in spaces frequented by females and get away with it. They want women to read them and feel threatened.

They get away with it because they are male and we live in a patriarchy. They get their kicks from doing this to women because they are male and we live in a patriarchy. There's no comparison to be had with anything any woman has ever done.

Personally I read reviews to help me buy clothes for my female form. My body goes in and out in a way models' bodies don't tend to so I rely on reading about the fit on other women's bodies.

What proportion of customers are going to find the sexist wank fantasist's review helpful? And what proportion feel threatened, worried their clothes will have semen on them, sick, re-traumatised etc?

A helpful review of clothing designed for female bodies by a male human could go: "OK so I'm a man so these pants weren't designed for my shape but the material is a lovely quality and they washed well. The colour was much brighter than it looked on the website".

If he gets a private thrill out of it

It's hardly private when it's in the reviews that usually women would read. Its definitely not private when men use the womens changing room, wank into whatever item, and then replace on the rail.
All these things have been done already and documented. I dont want to be the unwilling victim of his fantasies.

Vom

And of course knowing that we are reading it and talking about it will be exciting them no end.

And laughing our heads off and saying how repugnant they are? Is that what passes as a ‘turn on’ these days?

Sorry I’m a bit late to respond.

I think I’ve already stated that there should be single sex changing rooms and I know some would call me Transphobic (I would call myself trans ideology critical) but just because you disagree with something, or are disgusted by something, doesn’t mean it should be banned. You do not have a right to not be shocked. You do not have a right to stop others posting reviews as I don’t think it is against the law for men to buy knickers. Posting reviews on buying knickers does not fall under the single sex exemption law. There are going to be reviews which I feel go into too much detail re female bodies and I do feel the reviews above are in bad taste. However, I don’t have a right of protection here and I shouldn’t have.

If we go along the route of asking M&S to censor this, will they also censor the bra reviews that complain the lace makes nipples sore? The differences that the law protects, between sexes, cannot apply in this case. I think gender ID based on societal stereotypes should become as anachronistic as the dodo, that there should be protections in law for the disadvantages because of sex, age, disabilities, sexual preference (assuming consensual adults) race, religion etc

If it does no harm- so what.

You do not have a right to stop others posting reviews as I don’t think it is against the law for men to buy knickers. Posting reviews on buying knickers does not fall under the single sex exemption law There are going to be reviews which I feel go into too much detail re female bodies and I do feel the reviews above are in bad taste
However, I don’t have a right of protection here and I shouldn’t have

Its definitely not against the law to buy stuff and post reviews. That's fine I can choose to not read them and obviously not buy wanked on knickers. I think my biggest problem in this specific case with m and s is they should just be honest. Say loud and proud they cater to mens fetishes and men are allowed in any changing room (to be clear this includes the former childrens change room too)

And all the other companies whilst I'm thinking about this in any depth. If they are so convinced this is ok, then advertise that fact.
I dont believe the companies do feel this is the right thing. They know damn well they'll lose customers, so they hide these changes hoping enough people wont say anything and no one will believe them if they do. Or that enough time will pass and they can say well we've been doing this for x years and no one else has had a problem.

Question about men buying bras at M&S

Can they book bra fittings?

Can they book bra fittings
Yes of course. In any shop not even just m and s. Bravissimo and John Lewis etc

And presumably a female assistant has to help him.

And this is the point I feel it’s wrong. The man’s right ends where the woman’s right starts. Nobody should have to help fit underwear to a person of the opposite sex. There should be no discrimination against the shop assistant who say they would prefer not to.

Nobody should have to help fit underwear to a person of the opposite sex.

Well, you're in luck then. Because there is a transwoman bra fitter at the Marks & Spencer Marble Arch store !

so unsanitary in every way

And this is the point I feel it’s wrong. The man’s right ends where the woman’s right starts. Nobody should have to help fit underwear to a person of the opposite sex
Far as i can see women dont have rights in this matter.
We have to search them if that is our job and they id as female, we have to share hospital wards, because they are women, they can join us locked up in our prison (quite possibly with a mother and child unit) where we literally have no escape, because woman.
But it's all so stunning and brave and unicorns and sparkles.

If the changing rooms are in fact mixed, can’t a male member of staff help Billy with his bra fitting? Billy can’t object to Big Dave assisting as women can object to Billy being in the changing rooms in the ladies clothes section.

What about the person who had a bit of a meltdown because a changing room assistant didn’t immediately clock that they were gender neutral (and therefore could use all changing rooms apparently) and got very upset (again M&S) and a grovelling apology from them.

This was in Scotland (oh the shame, Scotland the woke).

Women cant object to Billy being there.

Totally forgot to add sports.
I suspect very soon all the womens records will be broken and I don't think we will ever get them back.
When the women's 100 metre sprint world record was set in 1988, what chance do we have if any decent sprinter ids as woman. What sports will be left to us after they've been infiltrated and are unsafe and or unfair to play. We would never again make it to the Olympics. Even if quite mediocre athletes took our spots we probably could not beat them.

I think its 100,000 teen boys at this moment could beat florence Griffith-Joyners 100 metre record. Set back in 1988. That no women have bettered as yet.

Well, you're in luck then. Because there is a transwoman bra fitter at the Marks & Spencer Marble Arch store !

Good! I hope they have their own private changing room as well. This is exactly the sort of provision needed. Presumably the fitter applied for this specific job, transwoman is getting the service they need and no women is being forced to manhandle (!) them.

Because every little girl dreams of growing up to be a bra fitter...