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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Shropshire County Council has withdrawn the toolkit

131 replies

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 13/05/2020 17:57

Tweet from ShropshireReSisters at 14.47: Shropshire County Council have withdrawn the transgender tool kit. It took a little pressure and a lot of help from some wonderful people (I'd tag but they may not wish me to). Anyone else wanting to do the same in their area...do it!

WOOHOO!!!!

twitter.com/SResisters/status/1260567309623726080?s=19

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Fishdoggy · 13/05/2020 22:45

I hope other parents feel they can now challenge their councils if necessary. You may get rebuffed at first but persist. To those asking what changed minds? I think it was the threat of legal action. And an MP watching the exchange.
Go for it, you'll succeed. The next hurdle is still to come...

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 13/05/2020 23:23

At some point some LA will be stupid enough to take this all the way to court, and that's exactly what needs to happen.

2fallsagain · 13/05/2020 23:34

Well done Shropshire'

Ssauk will be issuing some advice about how to go about challenging your LAs in the next couple of days. We know of a few groups taking action. Please keep us in the loop and come to us for help. We are delighted so many parents are challenging their counties off the back of occ!

LastTrainEast · 13/05/2020 23:43

Great news!

Aesopfable · 14/05/2020 09:33

At some point some LA will be stupid enough to take this all the way to court

I hope so.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/05/2020 09:45

Ssauk will be issuing some advice about how to go about challenging your LAs in the next couple of days. We know of a few groups taking action. Please keep us in the loop and come to us for help. We are delighted so many parents are challenging their counties off the back of occ!

This is brilliant.

RoyalCorgi · 14/05/2020 10:34

At some point some LA will be stupid enough to take this all the way to court

I don't think they will. I think more LAs will withdraw their guidance and wait for the EHRC. Our main fear has to be that the EHRC guidance is just as bad as the withdrawn toolkits, and then SSA or someone will have to start again and take it to judicial review.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/05/2020 10:49

That will force EHRC's hand though. They seem to be delaying publishing the guidance.

OldCrone · 14/05/2020 10:52

I don't think this will ever get to court. I think it's likely that as soon as the LA consults someone with expertise in equalities legislation (rather than the Stonewall law which their in-house legal team are familiar with), they realise it's illegal and withdraw it.

Oxfordshire were insisting it was all OK until the point the JR was granted. They probably got some better legal advice at that point and realised they would lose.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 14/05/2020 11:28

When the EHRC's draft guidelines were leaked it was immediately evident that these had been written by activists. Their changing room guidance (apart from all the red flag safeguarding and health and safety issues) was completely oblivious to the fact that no school anywhere could manage the situation if a class of girls refused to undress for swimming in front of one of their 'transitioning' male peers and were forced to change elsewhere. Education principles and practice completely absent. Typical TRA arrogance and overreach - attempting to enforce the indefensible.

As ever - that was their undoing.

RoyalCorgi · 14/05/2020 11:31

Yes, Ereshkigalangcleg, the guidance was due out in 2018. So they've been delaying it a long time. There was a leaked draft that was shockingly bad. But perhaps if they realise that there are a group of parents willing to mount a legal challenge, they will make sure that the new guidance is legally watertight before they publish it. I realise that assumes a degree of common sense on their part.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 14/05/2020 11:55

RoyalCorgi
I do wonder whether the government have finally woken up to how neglectful they've been in enabling all these dodgy organisations to access children in schools and are now putting a block on the EHRC enabling this?

SarahTancredi · 14/05/2020 12:13

I do wonder whether the government have finally woken up to how neglectful they've been in enabling all these dodgy organisations to access children in schools and are now putting a block on the EHRC enabling this?

Where does that leave the schools though. They are basically free to do what the want til then arent they?

RoyalCorgi · 14/05/2020 12:42

I do wonder whether the government have finally woken up to how neglectful they've been in enabling all these dodgy organisations to access children in schools and are now putting a block on the EHRC enabling this?

That would be excellent. You have to wonder after the EqualiTeach fiasco whether the lightbulb has finally gone on in the government's head. If Liz Truss and her civil servants have their wits about them they will be trying to stop EHRC doing anything mad.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 14/05/2020 13:06

SarahTancredi
I think it's up to parents now to advise schools that local authorities are withdrawing these guidelines after a judge's advice that aspects of them could be subject to legal challenge.

My assumption is that the following would be hard to defend in a court:

Telling little children that they may have been born in the wrong body. Advising schools that they, rather than the courts, can remove parental rights / responsibilities and transition children without informing parents.
Telling girls and boys that they must undress, shower and share dormitories with the opposite sex.
Telling children that drugs and surgery are acceptable choices for children below the age of consent to 'mend' their currently healthy bodies.

SarahTancredi · 14/05/2020 13:12

I did email my dds school regarding a certain charity being linked to on the website. I sent anonymously as I didn't want to risk what might happen to dd of I used my real name/email address. I attached alot of evidence in the way of screen shots etc

They were more concerned about who inwas than the content of the email.

Fast forward weeks later and the link is crossed out but u can still access the site if you click on it.

I'm now unsure whether they recognise what's going on and know its unlawful or whether they are trying to appease parents whilst still virtue signaling.

I am currently trying to find out via Google how my county stands. I both want to email the council to find out but also dont want to remind them to add it if they havent yet of that Makes sense

SarahTancredi · 14/05/2020 13:13

Have also emailed 2 mps old one never responded neither did the new one.

Have hit bit of a brick wall

R0wantrees · 14/05/2020 13:29

Where does that leave the schools though. They are basically free to do what the want til then arent they?

It leaves schools relient on all of the good practice, Safeguarding, professional expertise, legislative & governance responsibilities which have always been in place.

The toolkits which are rapidly withdrawn are in conflict with these frameworks.

SarahTancredi · 14/05/2020 13:41

It's not just tool kits that are the issue is it?

Having looked through some of the policies on dds school website. The word sex has been replaced with gender in a variety of places.

Sooner or later this conflating of language is going to cause issues isnt it?

This " training" is so deep rooted its ridiculous

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/05/2020 14:10

Yes, Ereshkigalangcleg, the guidance was due out in 2018. So they've been delaying it a long time. There was a leaked draft that was shockingly bad.

And in 2018 the EHRC had to confirm that male people without GRC are legally male.

Thisismytimetoshine · 14/05/2020 14:15

It confirmed that? So why are we still allowing boys to claim they're really girls and giving them access to the girls toilets / changing rooms?
It's utterly insane. These people are not just not legally compelled to allow this, they're being actively advised they're on very dodgy legal ground by doing so, and still it continues 🤨
Mental.

SarahTancredi · 14/05/2020 14:34

Having confirmed it, and nothing legally changing as self ID has not become law, then the whole thing is really simple isnt it?

What's the hold up

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/05/2020 14:39

It confirmed that? So why are we still allowing boys to claim they're really girls and giving them access to the girls toilets / changing rooms?

Because Stonewall Law.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/05/2020 14:41

Of which these "toolkits" are a part.

Fishdoggy · 14/05/2020 18:34

Sarah, there are several County Councils being challenged now, hopefully yours is one of them. I think the last to fall will be Brighton but then isn't this where the rot started?