Surrogacy on the NHS

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Didn’t know it was allowed in Scotland but I’ve been educated by the Daily Record today....

Sorry. My link didn't work so I've copied the text.

This is the third death of a USA Surrogate Mother that I know of, as noted above, the "industry" tries to keep these secret and the true number isn't known.

There was also a death of a Surrogate Mother in the UK some years ago.

“Brooke Lee Brown, 34, of Burley, [Idaho] passed away Thursday, Oct. 8, 2015, at St. Luke’s Regional Medical Center in Boise, due to complications during pregnancy.”

Brooke died of a placental abruption days before her scheduled Caesarean section, along with the twins she was carrying.

"Brooke’s memorial service, says that she was a surrogate for five babies though it is unclear if that includes the two who reportedly died along with her and how may were multiple births."

She left a husband and three young sons.

https://www.legalizesurrogacywhynot.com/brooke-brown-story

Michelle Reaves died on January 15th this year. She leaves a husband and two young sons.

www.today.com/today/amp/tdna172216

And in the UK

Natasha Caltabiano died on New Years Eve 2005.

Natasha, ages 29, was a mother of two young children.

https://www.bionews.org.uk/page_89547

Natasha

I hope my links work.

I feel so desperately sad for these beautiful women and all their motherless children and bereaved husbands and families.

Don't ever let anyone tell me this is a beautiful journey to be kind and make a difference.

It is a rotten, heartless, exploitative industry.

Did anyone see the news report last night on the 35 newborn surrogate babies being cared for in a hotel conference room in the Ukraine as their biological parents (term used by the BBC) cannot get there due to Coronavirus? Shocking.

It is a rotten, heartless, exploitative industry.

Absolutely, totally, 100%.

Hi Maybe yes I posted a link earlier which said it was 46 newborns in the Ukraine.

Whilst the BBC might be more accurate it's pretty shocking either way.

I'm so sorry for all the families of those women Fanny I had known about some of them before but not all. No wonder the surrogacy industry tries to cover it up. Doesn't sit too well with the image they want to project.

Yes, OhHoly maternal death is a dirty secret they try to cover up. No one knows the true number, most contracts include a NDA.

"I have to speak about this anonymously because I learned about Crystal’s death and the circumstances surrounding it at one of the CPS group therapy meetings, and from emails sent around by CPS to all of us surrogates used by them. CPS made it very clear that we were not allowed to publicly speak about Crystal’s death,and so I fear that CSPone of the biggest surrogate agencies in California will sue me if I speak publicly and identify myself.”

The NHS is a state funded medical service. Providing facilities for people who have bought a child is not part of their remit.
This.

Reuters has it at 51 Maybe bit of a jump from 35, maybe some are twins and the BBC has taken it as 'births'?

I'm honestly pleased that the BBC and the Guardian have decided to cover it. I thought this bit from Reuters was good, maybe there will be law reform in the Ukraine too?

"Lyudmyla Denisova, the human rights ombudsman for the Ukrainian parliament, said the video showed the country had a “massive and systemic” surrogacy industry where babies were advertised as a “high quality product”. She suggested looking into changing the law to allow only Ukrainian parents to use such services.
“We were prepared for this negative reaction,” the clinic’s founder Albert Tochilovsky said. “Given that parents need to be quarantined for 14 days, I want to speed up the process.”
Denisova ordered checks on the clinic but said she found that BioTexCom was following all procedures correctly. Surrogacy is legal in Ukraine."

Albert want's to speed up the process....? Because he is a virologist and understands Covid better than your average virus expert? I think he fears legal action, I hope he has a 'force majeur' clause in their BioTexCom contracts. (I'd rebrand that name if I was him Lord, not very family friendly is it...like Brilliant Beginnings or Happy Beginnings? Oh no, those names are taken....

www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-ukraine-babies/ukrainian-surrogate-babies-bound-for-u-s-europe-stranded-by-virus-lockdown-idUSKBN22Q380?fbclid=IwAR2Z2d5wuGVg0tNgroKZrv8qsoa7ShME_IgOQtLgBtp969pQx9Yz9Fe4XrE

500 babies?

God I hope it's not that many, I can't imagine it's as much as that, maybe a zero was added by mistake? Really really hoping it's a mistake. The staff could t possibly cope.

I couldn't watch more than a few seconds of the video so I send with a warning.

https://rmx.news/article/commentary/video-over-500-surrogate-babies-left-in-limbo-in-ukraine-after-parents-barred-from-entering-country-over-coronavirus?fbclid=IwAR2zauKGy1xwo47w8in7LTzoKSih7MM_0Cbu4pte5qdNZ1ymHy4KfhcFOps

I’m against surrogacy, it doesn’t matter who it’s for. It’s heart-breaking, exploitative and unnatural. If you grow a baby inside your womb, I am of the opinion you are the real mother, regardless of what artificial dystopian procedure was done to change the eggs.
Absolutely should not be funded on the NHS, I also didn’t know it was legal in a Scotland, it should be illegal everywhere.

A baby doesn’t grow inside sensing a connection to egg in which it was inseminated, but it’s mother’s body, their heart beat.

I'm on my phone losing battery so I can't open the link OhHoly but maybe 500 around the world? Or that might be too small a number given earlier posts about USA and I've seen similar articles re Canada and then there's cheaper destinations like Nigeria...?

It implies Ukraine alone for the 500 but in the video it clearly states the one hotel has 46 in the baby room. Imagine the nappies and formula that all has to be delivered and one paediatrician has to check each one every day and live on site with the "professional babysitters" so they can't see their families either.

The BioTexCom Apple Mac bearer at the beginning and end makes me sick. One man at the top and all these women doing the work for these abandoned babies.

No happy music will drown out the screaming of those babies.

If 500 then it would have been useful for the article to provide other examples with the numbers in their baby rooms.

Then there's Georgia and Cambodia, Greece etc. Travel bans are being enforced all over as well as quarantine. I'm not sure why anyone thinks they are more entitled to special rules because they are buying a baby. As a virus that kills and it being a newborn and all I would hope the governments involved take this very seriously and wake up to what is happening.

And in the UK

Natasha Caltabiano died on New Years Eve 2005.

Natasha, ages 29, was a mother of two young children.

www.bionews.org.uk/page_89547

Natasha died for a couple who already had FIVE children between them.

Then they argued about money owed and wouldn't pay the rest of her expenses to her mother for the funeral.

Following

Just found this research from the university of Kent for Surrogacy UK, "Further evidence for reform"

Among their demands: "Public funding should be made available for surrogacy related fertility treatment...and to pay UK surrogate expenses"

Oh, and commissioning parents should not be evaluated for their suitability of becoming parents....

surrogacyuk.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Surrogacy-in-the-UK-2nd-Report-20181230.pdf

"Reversal of the presumption of motherhood"

Says it all really.

Reversal of the presumption of motherhood

There was a guy called Liam who got a thank you at the end of the consultation document somewhere, I checked him out, he worked on the Kent Uni research and had a survey monkey link or something that was was about motherhood and what it means or something along those lines. I missed the deadline to submit my response but again we're back to language and meaning do words aren't we?

The word woman is taken.
The word mother is taken.

They must think we're stupid.

Thanks Fanny. It’s unbelievably depressing. How dare they suggest children’s safeguarding shouldn’t apply to the surrogacy industry.
In Renate Klein’s book, Surrogacy a human rights violation, she had a terrifying example of two paedophile men who had used surrogacy to give them access to a baby victim.
These things can and do happen.

By the way it got to 125 in Ukraine but now babies are being collected, but not necessarily let out of the country.

I saw one bloke complaining about how he's stuck in Russia whilst his wife is at home/work. He had to be the one collecting their order as he's the one with the biological connection/sperm. Tough gig.

Two blokes and twins in Thailand, one is the father the other his brother in law and at the end the wife explains how they didn't exploit anyone. You tell yourself that.

It's old but a good example of how legal systems in other countries are a real pain the the arse when to buy babies.