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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Baroness Nicholson on twitter

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Winesalot · 01/05/2020 23:27

I have been lurking on twitter lately and noticed Baroness Nicholson has been very active recently. Amongst her tweets are quite a few gems - letters to Liz Truss, tweets asking for evidence about Stonewall’s involvement CPS guidance just to name two.

This tweet I found very encouraging too.

It is imperative to restore the rights of women.I foresee a single issue, cluster approach;we make a new Women’s Rights movement lasting one year,solely to rescue womanhood from its destruction through today’s legal and social denial of our existence.Emma,BNoW

She has today written to Liz Truss again but this time with her concerns about the gross misinterpretation of the ECHR in the trans toolkits used in schools and recommends that such toolkits are removed from use now. Such support is great news.

twitter.com/baroness_nichol/status/1256326753850556418?s=21

I will try to post the letter for those not on twitter.

I look forward to seeing what what happens next.

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TyroSaysMeow · 04/05/2020 21:34

Titania McGrath had a lovely pie chart, lbd. It affects males and females so enbies are all immune, so I guess they can all go back to work while the rest of us keep shielding.

R0wantrees · 04/05/2020 21:44

I'm willing to bet that there is zero evidence that the coronavirus asks you about your gender identity before it infects you.

The evidence may be hard to establish as NHS & Covid symptom tracker application seem unable to collect clear data on both sex & gender identity.

GIRES have been advising/influencing NHS since at least 2014
apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends37/0001068137_AC_20141231_E_C.PDF

GIRES 'research'
'Gender Variance (Dysphoria)'
2014-09-01
GIRES supports the right of individuals to live according to their true gender identity, rather than one imposed upon them at birth. (continues)

Gender variance is an atypical development in the relationship between the gender identity and the visible sex of an individual. In order to understand this atypical development, it is necessary, firstly, to understand something of the typical development of these elements of our make-up. Many in the scientific and medical professions recognise the terms ‘gender’ and ‘sex’ as having distinct meanings. ‘Gender identity’ describes the psychological recognition of oneself, as well as the wish to be regarded by others, as fitting into the social categories: boy/man or girl/woman. These social categories generate expectations of gender roles, that is, how we are expected to behave in society. ‘Sex’, on the other hand, is usually understood to represent the physical differentiation as male or female, indicated by the external appearance of the genitalia and the presence of gonads (testes in a boy/ovaries in a girl) which will determine reproductive function, and differences in brain structure and function. (continues)
www.gires.org.uk/gender-variance-dysphoria/

TyroSaysMeow · 04/05/2020 22:03

Gender variance is an atypical development in the relationship between the gender identity and the visible sex of an individual.

'Transgressing the boundaries of your stereotype-box isn't normal.'

They can fuck right off with that one.

fitting into the social categories: boy/man or girl/woman. These social categories generate expectations of gender roles

Aaaaaaand we're back in the incoherent nonsense. Can they honestly not see it?

Boy and girl are not social categories! They're biological sex categories that generate expectations of gender roles!

Wtf are these people on?

R0wantrees · 04/05/2020 22:19

Wtf are these people on?

GIRES annual reports & AGM minutes are worth reading.
Also important to be aware of the links between Beaumont Society, Press For Change & GIRES

Anlaf posted Sun 24-Feb-19 (page 4 thread below)

"Now who knew that GIRES was set up as the charitable arm of Press for Change? I did not.

The Gender Identity Research and Education Society

Press for Change activists Bernard Reed and Yvonne Wingfield have been hard at work setting up a charity, which is now going for registration with the Charity Commission.

The idea is to allow the charity to take on - and expand - the current work of Press for Change in the areas of publication of information, education and training, research and support for students. PFC itself cannot be a charity, being of its nature political, but it makes sense to siphon off some of our activities into a charity, especially as the range of our activities continues to expand.

From the 1997 newsletter
<a class="break-all" href="//web.archive.org/web/20000606005635/www.pfc.org.uk/newsltr/nwslet09.htm#sw-trains" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20000606005635/www.pfc.org.uk/newsltr/nwslet09.htm#sw-trains

(Said this before but PfC really were impressively well organised - logging friendly MPs, asking supporters to have face to face meetings with their own MPs, and using formal political structures like a charity and parliamentary forum.)"

see important thread for further history including why Press For Change and GIRES parted ways in 2000.
As pencilsinspace evidences this was, "in large part because of the way GIRES treated intersex people and support groups"

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3463920-Lets-go-back-to-2007?pg=4

TyroSaysMeow · 04/05/2020 22:31

I'm half a sentence into that thread and already pissed off.

In the broadest use of the term, a transgender person crosses the conventional boundaries of gender

PfC are defining me as transgender. They're assigning a gender to me. Sound the transphobia klaxon! And then this:

"Seeking respect and equality for ALL trans people"[2]. People who identify as transsexual are a small part of this spectrum

What they're doing here, in using the label "trans" to cover anyone and everyone who doesn't comfortably occupy a traditional gender role, is so horribly sexist I'm struggling to find words for it.

Personally, I don't find being othered in this way particularly respectful; quite the contrary, in fact.

R0 you know if you keep linking these things my head's going to explode, right? Which admittedly could be informative but will also be messy.

R0wantrees · 04/05/2020 22:41

R0 you know if you keep linking these things my head's going to explode, right? Which admittedly could be informative but will also be messy.

We've all been there, yes.
Wine

Datun · 05/05/2020 00:25

What they're doing here, in using the label "trans" to cover anyone and everyone who doesn't comfortably occupy a traditional gender role, is so horribly sexist I'm struggling to find words for it.

And then they say it's ok, we can fix it by operating on you. That way everyone who acts a certain way, looks the same. No surprises. Phew.

TyroSaysMeow · 05/05/2020 00:46

And then they say it's ok, we can fix it by operating on you.

Fix it, as if it were a defect.

It's about as antifeminist as it gets.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/05/2020 17:40

I'm half a sentence into that thread and already pissed off.

Have you got to the bit where they're baying for an old lady and her daughter to be charged with hate crime for refusing a MTF as the elderly lady's intimate carer? I think it's that thread.

TyroSaysMeow · 05/05/2020 18:20

Weirdly, Eresh, that bit didn't shock me. I expect males to display blatantly woman-hating behaviour; I expect this to be reported as the woman's fault. It's the more covert stuff that gets me properly spitting tacks - the stuff that's subtle enough that people nod along without noticing it plays to their own unconscious sexist bias.

Winesalot · 05/05/2020 19:52

One of the latest Baroness Nicholson tweets regarding the CPS guidance.

‘Yes.Im working on it.I would appreciate any valid data on how Primary Schools are using the materials - even posters etc or whats in the lessons?’ 16.59 5/5/20

This is good news.

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Cuntysnark · 05/05/2020 20:37

R0wantrees Are you on Twitter?

R0wantrees · 05/05/2020 20:49

No why?

R0wantrees · 05/05/2020 20:51

‘Yes.Im working on it.I would appreciate any valid data on how Primary Schools are using the materials - even posters etc or whats in the lessons?’

Does Baroness Nicholson know that there are threads with evidence & discussion here?

Cuntysnark · 05/05/2020 21:09

Good point. I keep my head down on twitter but I’ll go and have a look and see if I can message her.

Cuntysnark · 05/05/2020 21:14

No message opportunity but I’ve suggested she looks here.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 05/05/2020 21:23

Hopefully someone on Twitter will point her in the direction of Transgender Trend?

Winesalot · 05/05/2020 21:33

I think she got referred to Transgender Trend the other day.

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Datun · 06/05/2020 09:50

Has the CPS given a list of all the schools using their guidance?

Aesopfable · 06/05/2020 09:56

Datun a foi?

OldCrone · 06/05/2020 10:51

Has the CPS given a list of all the schools using their guidance?

Would the CPS know? Do schools have to tell them if they're using it?

Datun · 06/05/2020 10:52

Or Baroness Nicholson could just ask them.

Lordfrontpaw · 06/05/2020 11:11

Shame she can’t just get her hands on certain lobby groups customer (And Friends in High/Low Places) databases... oh hang on, couldn’t she?

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 06/05/2020 11:24

I guess they can all go back to work while the rest of us keep shielding

Surely this would require having a job in the first place? Not convinced that going back to promoting your Patreon account is the same thing.

Winesalot · 06/05/2020 15:05

It’s times like this I am grateful that some parliamentarians use twitter effectively. I only wish I was able to tweet in support.

Baroness Nicholson on twitter
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