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GEO logo used without permission on teaching resource

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TheShoesa · 01/05/2020 14:20

Liz truss has just stated on Twitter that the GEO logo should NOT be on the front of Equaliteach's resource Free to Be as alerted by Maya Forstater

Twitter thread here

How do these people think they can get away with doing this?

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R0wantrees · 02/05/2020 15:35

You've nailed it again WTFSeriously, hard hitting questions need to be asked as to why this particular PC has been made into a sacred caste and the parameters of this sacred caste allowed to expand and make up their own version of the protected characteristics that are covered in the EQA and enforce them into every organisation to the detriment of the other PCs.

LangCleg wrote Thu 21-Feb-19

"How did the scandal of TV entertainers grooming and exploiting children get so bad before anything was done?

How did the scandal of Catholic priests grooming and exploiting children get so bad before anything was done?

How did the scandal of on-street gangs grooming and exploiting children get so bad before anything was done?

Because if you create a sacred caste of any group and silence anyone asking questions about individuals on behalf of the sacred caste, abusers will see, infiltrate, and groom and exploit children. That''s how."

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3512177-Julia-Long-asking-Munro-Bergdorf-about-child-exploitation?pg=12

rogdmum · 02/05/2020 15:38

Morton is at the heart of every single manoeuvre in both Scotland and broader U.K. campaigns. We need to watch them all but Morton especially. Sounds a bit tinfoil hat to type it out but it's true. Huge influence.

Absolutely. I attended a Trans Legal seminar/discussion at Edinburgh University a few months ago where Morton was one of the main speakers. It was quite frightening to hear Morton completely dismantle sex based rights and outline how they saw the future being.

CassandraCross · 02/05/2020 15:40

Always the voice of perception and truth LangCleg, sorely missed.

R0wantrees · 02/05/2020 15:47

I attended a Trans Legal seminar/discussion at Edinburgh University a few months ago where Morton was one of the main speakers. It was quite frightening to hear Morton completely dismantle sex based rights and outline how they saw the future being.

December 2019 Holyrood exclusive interview with James Morton by Mandy Rhodes
10 December
(extract)
“It is so hard to explain because it wasn’t like a delusion – I know I was born female – but in my dreams, I just always had a male body, I was always a boy, and even though I could see when looking in a mirror that I had a female body, I would often forget others weren’t seeing me as male. There would be a weird dynamic because I was unmistakably looking and sounding female at that point.

“I don’t know why I developed such a strong sense of myself as male and a strong need to be seen by others that way but, for whatever bio-psycho-social reasons, I did. By the time I was in my teens that was what had really crystallised for me. I think sometimes it’s like how much gelatine is in someone’s identity to make them set. Some people clearly have a more movable sense of themselves and other people are set firmly.

“Looking back, people would probably have seen me as a very troubled teenager but not known why. People would probably have said that this – being trans – all came out of nowhere because my physical appearance in my early teens was as such a girl, a very librarian-looking, long-haired girl." (continues)
www.holyrood.com/inside-politics/view,making-the-change-exclusive-interview-with-scottish-trans-alliance-manager-_14834.htm

teawamutu · 02/05/2020 18:41

Just saw this on Reddit. TRAs not pleased.

GEO logo used without permission on teaching resource
Lordfrontpaw · 02/05/2020 18:43

Yes I did see a lot of spitting up milk last night. Lord alone knows what they are plotting (after a nap from crying themselves out).

truthisarevolutionaryact · 02/05/2020 18:50

The Minister for Women following women's groups and individual women on twitter - the horror Grin

Clymene · 02/05/2020 19:01

That's such an interesting interview. Morton's dad died when Morton was 18 and yet that only apparently had an impact on Morton's mum. None at all on Morton. No connection with dropping out of university.

I also find the terrible issues the gay friend had at Edinburgh quite surprising. I did my degree in the late 80s and there was zero homophobia.

I wonder what James thinks of Freddie McConnell?

littlbrowndog · 02/05/2020 19:17

Yeah agree about Morton.

How is Morton qualified to advise anyone at all ?

WTFSeriously · 02/05/2020 19:26

Totally off topic but teawamutu I covet your name 😍

When I'm thinking of a name change, every time I need to remind myself it's already taken 😏

R0wantrees · 02/05/2020 20:06

How is Morton qualified to advise anyone at all ?

(extract from inyerview linked above)
“I feel a great deal of responsibility, personally, for trying to help navigate through all the contentiousness and we’ve always tried really hard to find pragmatic ways of making policies and practice work that make a service good for all service users. We haven’t been not caring about the impact on others and, for instance, the work we do with prisons is really difficult work, but we do it because we believe in good quality risk assessment and want everybody to be safe and we don’t want anything to go wrong." (continues)

How James Morton found a place shaping prison policy in Scotland which put vulnerable female prisoners at risk of harm by enabling males to self id into the female estate will no doubt be a matter for future inquiries.

Morton was interviewed with Rhona Hotchkiss (a former prison governor) on Woman's Hour:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3851148-Womans-Hour-Today-17th-March

teawamutu · 03/05/2020 00:05

Trick question, surely?

Real question: who on earth decided he was qualified to advise anyone?

R0wantrees · 03/05/2020 11:46

School uniform should not present a problem for transitioning students, and they should expect to follow the dress code for their acquired gender.

Trans teachers should be free to use toilets appropriate to their acquired gender from the date they transition.

^^ From 2017 NASUWT 'Trans Equality in Schools and Colleges
Advice and Guidance for Teachers and Leaders'

14 October 2016 Kent Online
Transgender pupil Lily Madigan, from Chatham, wins apology from St Simon Stock Catholic School in Maidstone over uniform row'
(extract)
"A Maidstone school has apologised after sending a transgender pupil home for wearing the wrong uniform and preventing her from using the girls’ toilets and changing rooms.

Brave Lily Madigan, formerly Liam, came out in the new year.

The 18-year-old turned up for the first time at St Simon Stock Catholic School dressed in girls’ attire.

She said: “I decided to come in dressed in the girls’ dress code, which basically meant I was wearing a top instead of a shirt.

“It made me feel so happy, until I was sent home.”

Ms Madigan, who is from Chatham, was also told she could not use girls’ bathrooms or changing rooms." (continues)
www.kentonline.co.uk/maidstone/news/schools-apology-to-transgender-pupil-104081/

Ella Whelan for Spiked
22nd November 2017
'Lily Madigan is not a woman'
(extract)
"More recently, Madigan hit the headlines after arguing that Anne Ruzylo, a Labour Party women’s officer in a different constituency, should be sacked for being ‘transphobic’. Ruzylo, a lesbian, feminist and trade unionist, had criticised the sanctification of the trans movement. For this, she was labelled a ‘terf’ (trans exclusionary radical feminist) and was harassed by transgender activists online. Eventually, the executive committee of Ruzylo’s local Labour branch resigned in protest at her mistreatment.

So, here we have a trans teen who has previously been part of an effort to undermine a women’s officer’s career now being elected as a women’s officer. Understandably, some are angry about this. How can a teenager who has only recently declared himself to be a woman be eligible as a women’s officer? As Teresa Murray, vice-chairwoman of the executive committee of Rochester and Strood CLP, said: ‘Lily will have to work very hard to convince other people that her very presence there is not going to undermine them.’

The role of a women’s officer is important, feminists argue, because the lived experience a woman is something men cannot understand. Therefore, in order for women to feel politically represented, they must be represented by women." (continues)
www.spiked-online.com/2017/11/22/lily-madigan-is-not-a-woman/#.W8pl-VCBoj5.twitter

Anne Ruzylo WPUK speech
A Woman's Place is on the Platform: 23 November 2017
(transcript)
"The last ten days have been very very bizarre. Im an ordinary women who all my life has all my life looked out for, well not just women but, human beings in general.
Until recently I have never been prevented from doing that

I now find myself silenced because I want to talk about something that affects us all. That is the GRA. But Ive been told it doesnt affect me. It doesnt affect women, it doesnt affect lesbians. Its doesnt affect anybody, 'so why are you talking about it? It only affects people who are transgender.'
I have a very different viewpoint on that.

So repeatedly I have been silenced along with another colleague of mine from the CLP.
Quite an extensive motion.
I have a complaint from an individual by the name of Liliy Madigan who apparently. who said. that even though the picute in the Times newspaper they looked more feminine than me

Having been a gender non conforming woman all my life. Yes sisters! I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

Like Linda [Bellos] Ive been misgendered many times. Ive been called sir. It happens on a fairly regular basis and thats just one of those things. Ive tried to break down barriers and boxes and titles and names all my adult life.

So Lily Madigan put in a complaint about me from a different CLP. It was thrown out on that basis.
The rest of my Executive Committe members deemed I had not been transphobic because I was running consciousness-raising sessions with members of my women's forum.

Because a lot of women & men are quite ignorant about what the GRA is actually about.

Doing these consciousness-raising sessions we've established as well that some people think that biology can be changed. That if you take female hormones you will grow a uterus and If you take male hormones you will grow a penis.

Because unfortunately young women & young men are being told that they can change sex and they cant. You can't change sex.

So a lot of the consciousness-raising sessions were about how the GRA with self-identification would affect women & women only spaces."
(continues discussing the 'disasterous' impact of self id in prisons. Anne Ruzylo describes her experience of working in prisons for twenty years & the responsibility she feels to the vulnerable women in prison, many of whom have been abused by men)

stumbledin · 03/05/2020 17:37

Sorry if this point has been made already but the disappointment is that there have only been twitter statements about this.

The majority of people are not on twitter.

They will rely on / accept as fact printed material they receive as being true.

ie how many of these packs are in circulation
we those who misprepresented the GEO be contacting all those they have sent the material too.

For this to have any impact there needs to be a .gov.uk press statement and an obligation that Equaliteach acknowledges that they mis lead people and a committment to contact all those mislead.

Otherwise this is just a twitter storm for less thne 20% of the population.

RoyalCorgi · 03/05/2020 18:45

Sorry if this point has been made already but the disappointment is that there have only been twitter statements about this.

This is true, but don't forget, Liz Truss only became aware of the issue on Friday, and she tweeted about it instantly, as did the GEO. I'm sure there'll be a fuller statement in due course and I'm sure that behind the scenes the GEO is already talking to EqualiTeach.

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