Liz Truss reveals ‘shocking’ plan to remove healthcare for trans youth, slammed as an ‘extraordinary’ attack on equality - the backlash begins

[stumbledin]

Predictably trans activists and their media allies have started misrepresenting what Liz Truss said.

"" ... Worryingly, only one of the three principles set out by Truss actually relates to GRA reform.

The other two – the protection of single-sex spaces for women and access to healthcare for transgender youth – are talking points often repeated by those opposed to trans rights in any form. ... "

(ie protecting women's rights is anti trans)

" ... “It would be an extraordinary move for the minister for women and equalities to support the introduction of a new form of inequality into British medical practice, by effectively treating transgender teenagers as less capable than their cisgender peers.

“We believe that transgender young people should have the same right to make important personal decisions as non-trans people.

“Furthermore, we must question why Ms Truss is making a statement about clinical pathways while answering a question on the Gender Recognition Act, which has no bearing on medical care.” ... "

(This is pink news so not surprising that they would take this tone!)

Meanwhile in the Independent:

" ... LGBT rights group Stonewall demanded talks with the minister to establish what decisions she had in mind and to ensure that young people continue to be offered appropriate support. ... "

" ... We’d welcome an opportunity to discuss this with the minister, as it’s crucial all young people who are questioning their gender identity are able to access high-quality, timely support. Every trans young person should be given the care they need, in an informed and supportive manner, so they’re able to lead a happy, healthy life.” ... "

As far as I know no women's groups or services have made any statement, eg re confirmation that single sex service provision is guaranteed under the EA.

Pink News: www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/04/23/liz-truss-trans-rights-gender-recognition-act-reform-healthcare-puberty-blockers-backlash/

Independent: www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/lgbt-gender-government-liz-truss-transgender-rights-consultation-a9478901.html

Beggars belief why there would be backlash , I mean according to them kids are not being given drugs etc so what are we stopping them from?

How anyone can see not prescribing children toxic cancer medication that stunts their physical mental and sexual development as a bad thing I dont know.

What is it they are afraid of If children can't set in stone their identity at 12 years old ?

A backlash from who though? A group of people who have a vested interests in the rights of women and girls being dismantled and who don't give two hoots about the bodies of young children and adults being permanently altered and no one knowing the true consequences.

The public are seeing them for what they are. I would willingly bet the minister does too.

Well they have invested over 20 years if not more persuading people that telling children they are either a girl or a boy is a form of abuse.

They aren't going to allow the women who happens to be the Equalities Minister at the moment say anything to contradict that.

You can expect endless coverage all from the trans perspective from now on.

And knowing the Tory Party there is nothing to believe Liz Truss will be in post for anything other than a few months.

But most importantly she didn't say anything that isn't currently law or good practive.

Implying that supporting women only service provision is inherently anti trans is not only a lie but grossly anti woman. And of course in no part of the coverage is there a women groups speaking up for women's rights.

Now the health "specialists" are getting in on the pushback.

twitter.com/Spectra_London/status/1253330286038749185/photo/1

We need the TRAs to start disruptive protests and make outrageous demands. Let this happen as soon as possible. Watched by a public having real issues on their minds.

These are the statements of people and organisations starting to panic. The wheels are coming off the train and they don't like it. I expect much hyperbole in the coming months.

The public are seeing them for what they are. I would willingly bet the minister does too.

Unfortunatley we know that the public via the beatification of Mermaids have also accepted the trans narrative!

We might all hope they do but there is no evidence of that.

And as I said up thread no evidence of women's groups / women's rights activists countering the trans publicity and / or they have and papers are refusing to publish.

In the global scheme of things mumsnet isn't even a microparticle.

I get what you are saying but I don't believe for one second that people have accepted the narrative, some people may have but the majority haven't.

Many people do not support Mermaids at all. Twitter is not the world's opinion piece that people think it is.

I have a friend with a Non conforming child she watch butterflies, propaganda piece, and was horrified. No way she is letting her child near them.

Er stumbledin, the Times, Telegraph, Spectator, Daily Mail have published hundreds of articles in support of women and children.

Women's groups are constantly writing to MPs and ministers, as are many ordinary women. Once the public understand the implications of trans ideology the vast majority are against it, as surveys have shown.

Where have you been? The tide is on the turn, and women have done this with NO money and very little political support, just sheer hard work.

Let's be careful here. This is a great thing, and yes, it's astonishing that such a measured statement should elicit such howls of protest. But Songs of Praise, bastion of the comfortably nominally Christian middle classes with a veneer of liberalism just had a cosy little puff piece featuring a transman trying to square the circle of being 'in the wrong body' and needing to take opposite sex hormones but created perfectly by an omnipotent loving God.

They know how to play this, and while the legislative keaps are important, vital even, the propaganda is their strong suit and they won't stop manipulating.

*FloralBunting
i don't think religious pp believe this. (christian, muslim ect...)

i think we have to make broader church and stand by truss.

I know a number of liberal minded religious people who believe fully in the be nice, pro trans narrative. I'm not saying not to be pleased with this, but I'm telling you that we have not won yet, because we are fighting a rear guard action against a movement that has been working by stealth for a long time. Yes, the Truss thing is great, but they just had a propaganda piece on national television at a time when more people are at home engaging with this kind of fluffy, emotionally manipulative crap. The push back against Liz Truss was inevitable, as is the continued work the TRAs are doing to undermine material based rights. We cannot afford to think we've succeeded in ending this. The Transactivist movement is embedded and determined.

Desperate reframing, with alternate facts, alternate realities, extreme emoting and everything knee deep in dramatic hyperbole.

Part of managing this situation politically is the establishment learning to see through this behaviour, not be taken in or intimidated by it and therefore not allow process, standards and policy to be swayed by it, and to do their jobs properly.

Frankly the bigger the behaviour, the kick off, the wildly alternative facts and the opportunity to demonstrate the issues with these highly emotional arguments, the more people will see what the problems are and the stronger the case gets. This has always been an attempt to make individual and highly subjective feelings trump reality, facts, safeguarding, due process and everyone else's rights. That's the whole core of what is wrong with it.

*FloralBunting

"liberal minded"

I agree with FloralBunting. There's a reason why the Trans narrative is told to audiences world wide via personal journeys and why Mermaids want to put up children to tell Liz Truss about their personal story. Because this is the way to manipulate an audience, to silence all opposition and paint anyone challenging the narrative as unkind and uncaring about this brave vulnerable person courageously standing in front of the audience. It means that you don't need to explain science, facts, the rights of others, the law, child safeguarding or anything else. Just tell your own story and everyone will fall over themselves to comply with your demands because you're so brave and stunning.

This will continue to be a main tool used to dominate the narrative.

I am heartened by the comments under The Times recent articles-people are much more in favour of a reality based approach, that respects safeguarding women & girls & not unnecessarily medicalising children.The whole myth of the trans child can be blown out of the water-there is no such thing-just a confused young person who needs to go through puberty & mature, to make sense of their feelings & understand their sexuality. The tide is turning but there are major battles ahead. Can we ever stop males obtaining legal recognition as women?

You can expect endless coverage all from the trans perspective from now on.

Excellent.

And yes, of course, the only weapon in their arsenal is debunked statistics and appeals to emotion. There is nothing else.

And there are enough people now who will start to ask the difficult questions.

How about this, where are the stats for that, show me the studies, what about the science, how about the 70 kids in one school??

This would never have even been mooted two years ago. It's only going one way. And the more people who start to ask, question, challenge, the better. And now they are.

But I completely agree, though, that complacency is misplaced. The lid has been prized open, let's get a massive lever under it.

And I just want to add, that the perspective of women is the only one that wants that lever.

The Transactivist movement is embedded and determined

Yes! We're looking at least 10/15 years or more.......there are no instant bullets or magical solutions...no matter how much people are looking for them.

But Songs of Praise, bastion of the comfortably nominally Christian middle classes with a veneer of liberalism just had a cosy little puff piece featuring a transman trying to square the circle of being 'in the wrong body' and needing to take opposite sex hormones but created perfectly by an omnipotent loving God

The anglican bishop of Liverpool was in the chamber when the invited speaker from Liverpool Resisters spoke to the assembled council o the subject of single sex spaces. He purposefully sat with the trans lobby, rather than sit himself in a neutral position. He also clapped at the end, with all of the others, after the abusive rant by the leader of the council Joe Anderson.

Most anglicans just want to be respectable, "be nice", do-gooders......sorry to say.....

The most vociferous arguments I have had about this away from the intensity of twitter, forums and various other online places, have been with my liberal Christian friends. I don't know whether the psychology is some sort of misplaced atonement for the anti gay stuff in Christianity more widely, but I've been blindsided by cosy liberal church types more than once on trans topics.

Liberal churches are all about 'God is love' where as the traditional view is 'God is Just'

My uncle always says about churches of that sort that they aren't against anything but bottled water. I agree there is an element of them feeling embarrassed about different ideas that now aren't so much in line with social consensus. What's interesting about it is parishes that are more reconciled to being out of step are often more popular, and not just with
straight white men either.