The author of Labour's trans pledge tweets 'BYE BYE HONEY!' at Boris Johnson

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That's the trans pledge card that Labour's new deputy leader, Angela Rayner, and Labour's new shadow foreign secretary, Lisa Nandy, both signed.

The one that said women meeting to discuss women's rights is a hate crime.

'Floe Exotic', who is a transwoman, tweeted in block capitals 'BYE-BYE HONEY' to the news that Boris Johnson is now in intensive care.

Just seen from @DrudgeJedd's link that Emily Thornberry signed it in the end - I thought she was resisting?

Politics is a matter of opinion and the lefty approach to Boris on here shows this underlying arrogance that people cannot have different opinions. I like many people who have different opinions to me; someone I like likes Donald Trump and that is fine, I understand why they do. It is their opinion and makes up a very small part of who they are. It is crass and crude, and I would go so far as to say, uneducated, to dislike someone purely based on a difference of opinion.

There is a vast difference between having a different political opinion to a friend, which is likely to have a fairly small effect on one's day-to-day life, and having been directly affected by the policies implemented by a politician and his party the way anyone who has had to navigate the benefits system, the NHS or foodbanks under the Tories has been. The fact MH support within the NHS is virtually non-existent compared to 10 years ago and the DWP under the Tories has targets to get 20% of recipients off disability benefits (against the fraud rate they calculated themselves as being 0.5%) has a daily impact on my life, so you can be damned sure I will say "I despise the politics Johnson represents but I wish him a full recovery" because it is far, far more than merely a "difference of opinion".

On topic: that TRA is a narcissistic twat and most of the current Labour party are woke idiots.

the DWP under the Tories having targets, that should say.

Starmer was right to distance himself. It doesn't take long for these kinds of people to show who they really are.

I cannot stand Johnson but I don't wish ill on him and hope he pulls through this.

Politics is a matter of opinion and the lefty approach to Boris on here shows this underlying arrogance that people cannot have different opinions. I like many people who have different opinions to me; someone I like likes Donald Trump and that is fine, I understand why they do. It is their opinion and makes up a very small part of who they are. It is crass and crude, and I would go so far as to say, uneducated, to dislike someone purely based on a difference of opinion.

I like and dislike politicians from all political parties because of a range of issues, often relating to cults, corruption and support for quackery and snake oil.

I don't understand why you are assuming that all the posters here who dislike BJ or his politics are "lefty".

My politics are left of centre, but I dislike extremes of the left or right and like you I have friends across the political sprectrum.

I have very specific reasons for distrusting BJ and I am definitely not going to disclose them when the man is our prime minister and seriously ill in hospital at a time of national crisis.

I am distinctly unimpressed with Corbyn of late and I suspect that many of the posters here who are critical of BJ are similarly unimpressed with Corbyn and what Labour has become under his leadership.

I am happy to stand corrected if this is not the case

@koshkatt thanks for saying that. The caveats of "I'm no fan of Boris" and "I'm no Tory" have really been upsetting me. It's like making one of those "I'm sorry but..." apologies. They are all over Twitter too. It's ok and perfectly humane to simply wish a very sick person well without worrying about losing woke points in the process.

Anyway, I've also tweeted to
The main signatories concerned. Hope that nasty little shit gets booted out AND banned.

Thanks Jintyfer.

Hope that nasty little shit gets booted out AND banned

I agree.

A Labour councillor has been expelled for similar www.itv.com/news/central/2020-04-07/labour-councillor-expelled-from-party-for-boris-johnson-coronavirus-comments/

Lets see what they do with this utterly nasty specimen.

I still can't belief nandy and co signed that pledge, how fucking naive/stupid/desperate for woke cookies do you have to be to risk you reputation with people like Flo.

Interested to see how differently the two are treated. Whether there's something about one of them which protects him from the consequences of his actions...

I also saw an old tweet from Julia Hartley-Brewer gloating about the death of Castro

I saw her tweet, I wouldn't have said it myself but Castro was an unelected dictator and his record on human rights does not bear much scrutiny.

Labour should have been holding the Conservative governments to account for its policies & consequences especially for vulnerable people.

Interesting article in 'Conservative Women'

The Tories let in trans mania – now they must drive it out
By
Caroline ffiske
concludes:
"But how could the Karen White incident have been allowed to occur? Why does the Ministry’s guidance still say ‘all individuals in our care must be supported to express the gender with which they identify’? And ‘staff must make every effort to communicate with individuals in ways that respect their gender identity, using appropriate verbal and written communication and use of pronouns’. We do need to ask why, when we may be talking about individuals such as Karen White, that this degree of obeisance is required.

Sadly for Johnson and Cummings, doing nothing and hoping the issue will go away is not an option. Under the Conservatives, the trans narrative corrupts the hearts of our public institutions. It is rolled out by the Department of Education, the Government Equalities Office, the Crown Prosecution Service, the Police, the Courts, the NHS, the BBC, the Office of National Statistics, the Ministry of Justice. Where does it end? With women losing their jobs because they won’t play along. With men in women’s safe spaces. With faith in our police undermined. With science, reason, language, statistics corrupted.

I worry most about our vulnerable children and the people who love them. So I will end by repeating the words of an American mother: ‘My once beautiful daughter is now nineteen years old, homeless, bearded, in extreme poverty, sterilized, not receiving mental health services, extremely mentally ill, and planning a radial forearm phalloplasty (a surgical procedure that removes part of her arm to construct a fake penis).’ This mother is not alone in her despair. There are now many more, and numbers continue to grow.

Everyone with a head and a heart needs to join the fightback. Thousands are. But in the UK, Conservative MPs are the bottleneck. Only they can push through the reforms to our laws and public institutions that are needed to stop this dangerous narrative. It is time for them to take courage and step up. "

conservativewoman.co.uk/the-tories-let-in-trans-mania-now-they-must-drive-it-out/

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3873580-Caroline-Ffiske-good-summary-of-institutional-capture-for-the-uninitiated

Excellent article in Conservative Woman, thanks R0wantrees. This part is particularly interesting:

Which brings me to safety. Many people worry about women’s safety as a result of all this. Trans activists tell women they have nothing to worry about. Now newspapers report the crimes of men as those of women.

Over time it will look as if women are as dangerous as men. See, there is nothing to worry about!

the cynic in me thinks this is the game plan all along and further confirms that this is absolutely an MRA influenced agenda and that Trans Rights was just a convenient cover.

And when their disgusting attitude is shown, they play the victim. (Screenshot from the chair of the uni Labour party this person belongs to). It's just typical immature student politics. The problem is why the senior members pay them any heed.

Do the normal rules of respect and appropriate behaviour not apply to 'marginalized' people then? What a ludicrous and childish response. You're either to be taken seriously, which comes with responsibility, or you're a bunch of idiots who aren't worth listening to. Can't have it both ways. You can complain about online behaviour on the Labour Party website form. It kicked out Frances Hoole for the 'terf' meme.

I have been appalled by the UK government's feeble and incompetent response to this crisis, and I care a lot more about the NHS staff than about Boris Johnson. But don't want him to die -- I want him to recover and preferably start doing the right thing. Delighting in anyone's suffering is contemptible.

Seems to be a trend doesn't it? Reminds me of France's Hoole and also McKinnon/Ivy's posts on Magdalen Berns and, well actually anyone who has another view. There's an interesting undercurrent of violence in these quarters. Personally I think I know why...

Is it because they is men?

”We have to accept that people are who they say they are.” - I am so nonplussed at this statement, I struggle to even start to unpick it (a familiar reaction to TRA ideology). We have to accept people are who they say they are? Why? Says who? When and why was that deemed morally necessary? If I say I’m a doctor or an airline pilot against the facts of material reality, do you have to believe I am?

I was brought up believing certain things were morally wrong, eg lying, cheating, abusing people who disagree with you. Faking your identity to gain advantages would certainly have come into that category. Men living out their sex fantasies and women being ordered, by law, to indulge them would, if anyone had ever imagined that could happen!

I’m baffled by discovering these things have suddenly leapt from wrong, to acceptable, to right, to morally imperative and indisputable, pretty much overnight.

Look, I dislike BoJo as much as the next person

Well, I don't dislike him

Vile to wish death on anyone. Some consolation for Boris if he makes it out of intensive care, courtesy of Steven Pinker:

"The psychology behind a pandemic - Acclaimed psychologist Steven Pinker"
(Channel 4 News Channel)

Basically, the thought is that since Boris has caught it and is in intensive care then it is more likely that more people will take it seriously and follow all the guidelines and instructions about hand-washing, self-isolation, etc. so overall a good thing and Boris is "taking one for the team", albeit involuntarily.

Probably right. The sight of so many MPs and others in the public eye bouncing back after a week under wraps gives false reassurance that anyone fit and healthy and under-sixty will be able to shrug it off easy-peasy.

Not a Boris fan but wish him well in this, as would any decent human being.

”We have to accept that people are who they say they are.”

The problem is that people try to process this as a sincere and genuinely held value. It isn't.

Try stating to someone telling you this that ok, you say you're not 'cis', or that you say you don't have a gender, or you say you're a person with a faith, culture, religion, disability or basic belief that people don't change sex and remain lifelong the sex they were born... and you soon find out that this isn't a value statement of liberal belief, equally extended to everyone.

Its actually a command to you to obey a group who quite openly deny any need for reciprocal respect or tolerance towards you. And who somehow think that you should see this as a good idea. Which tells you most of what you need to know about capacity for empathy and other social behaviours, and about seeing female people as anything other than Mummy.

Off topic, but ScapaFlo - I have always loved your name for its association! If you do change it, I hope you pick another Orcadian-based handle.

Just wondering if Lisa Nandy's or Rebecca LD's have finally decried the thoughts of this person who's pledge they signed so willingly? Thought not.
Now I wonder why that could be??

Tony Lloyd MP is also in hospital with COVID19.

He’s a good chap. Totally gets the feminist position on GRA reform.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-manchester-52186779