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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

What constitutes modern day feminism

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katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 10:45

What does it mean to be a feminist in the 21st century? When I and indeed the members of my family who I would consider to be feminist were growing up it was about fighting for equal rights for women such as equal pay and better representation of women in high powered jobs and given that the Labour Party has yet again elected a male leader says to me that there is still along way to go. However I and my family members find ourselves becoming more and more uncomfortable with what some might call the more extreme side of feminism.

I fear that certain views of feminism are allowing a rather unhealthy and quite hateful form especially in relation to trans rights. As a member of the lgbt community and although I’m not trans myself I do have friends who are and I also volunteer for a local charity who support and offer counselling to trans teenagers. I see first hand the damage done by the attitudes promoted and supported by some sections of the feminist community dressed up under the guise of ‘free speech’. The trans right issue is a complex one. I don’t think children should be allowed to transition or be given hormone blockers to prevent puberty because I’m not convinced a child has the maturity to make those kind of life changing decisions although that doesn’t mean I don’t believe that children can’t be trans because I see it everyday through my work with the charity and it’s a fact of great shame that at least 70% of young trans have self harmed or tried to commit suicide because of the prejudice they face.

The biggest contentious issue appears to be that of self indentification. I fail to see how it erodes my rights as a women if a trans person chooses to self identify and personally I find the notion that people chose to self identify because they want to harm others somewhat far fetched. Yes I accept that there are some sick indivuals that do this but the fact is the majority of sex offenders offend as men not men who are self identifying as female or the other wan around. I remember mixed sex changing rooms when I was growing up and I don’t remember a vast increase in sexual assay because of it.

Now despite being accused of it on here several times by people who hide behind the guise of feminism to attack anyone who dares to defend trans rights as someone who condones sexual assault I do not in fact as a surviour of sexual assault I find that extremely offensive. Anyone trans or otherwise who commits any kind of sexual assault deserves to be castrated and strung up. Maybe one way around the shared changing room or toilet issue would be to have single cubicles or toilets as we do at our charity so it doesn’t matter who uses them because there’s only u on there. As a parent and someone who works with children who have been absued I can totally understand the argument for parents wanting to know who the child is sharing a changing room with. Personally I wouldn’t allow my son or my nieces who I regularly look after our without a grown up until they were of teenager age and then allow in groups of friends.

I’ve no doubt that this post will either be ignored or removed as mums net seems to remove anything that resembles some who supports the rights of trans people but just as the people who use feminism to try and erode or stand Agasint trans rights I to have the right to express my opinion.

The debate of feminism and trans issues needs to be less toxic and more about open discussion and tolerance of others opinions will allowing healthy debate because trans people are people and have the same right to be heard and to be given the same freedoms as any other member of society. Do I think that all feminists are transphobic absolutely not and neither do I believe that all of the trans community min are good people. There’s good and bad in everyone and every group of society but since when is that a justification for the discrimination of a whole part of society

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MrsDoylesTeaBags · 05/04/2020 18:19

I get the feeling OP is one of the service users of that youth group, could be wrong though.

They just came across as very young

MissingLinker · 05/04/2020 18:21

I didn't get past the first six pages. Has the OP discovered punctuation yet?

FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 18:21

I suspect the congratulator was either Ms Socky McSockperson, or someone who had offered to back up OP in the trollplay and then didn't really follow through because mum had insisted on a family BorisWalk with phone left at home

TinselAngel · 05/04/2020 18:26

Back from my refreshing Boris walk (dragged DD along), (thanks for the walking inspiration, R0) wondering if the OP is disappointed after the hours they spent sourcing and spell checking their opening post.

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 05/04/2020 18:30

Didn't Bespin used to be funnier? Perhaps the boat thing didn't work out. Oh well.

OneEpisode · 05/04/2020 19:11

I’ve made it through 22 pages of posters trying to be polite and coherent against nonsense. But someone who I respect is clearly suffering in lockdown apparently cooking Chicken And Yorkshire Puddings.
I hope she is ok.

MrsDoylesTeaBags · 05/04/2020 19:29

someone who I respect is clearly suffering in lockdown apparently cooking Chicken And Yorkshire Puddings.
I hope she is ok.

Crazy times OneEpisode crazy times Grin

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/04/2020 19:36

We've just had the same Grin not me as I don't eat chicken, but yes Yorkshire puddings were considered essential today.

Justhadathought · 05/04/2020 19:38

Have Katie n Lisa left

I think so.....it's been like wresting with a bag of ferrets......don't know who this last one was?

FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 19:43

The days of yorkshires only appearing on a plate with roast beef are long gone.

I put them with my chicken and load the plate with mint sauce and apple sauce.

Justhadathought · 05/04/2020 19:43

Anyway......just watched another episode of The Bridge ( series one) - missed it first time around ( it's really good!); and prior to that yet another re-watch of Killing Eve. Common denominator: Kim Bodnia I find him very charismatic.

midgebabe · 05/04/2020 19:49

I haven't got any eggs

TinselAngel · 05/04/2020 19:50

I just can't see what's wrong with Yorkshire puddings on any toast. They are always a good thing.

TinselAngel · 05/04/2020 19:50

Roast not toast! (Although I'd give it a try).

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 05/04/2020 19:57

I dont eat meat

But you’ll prise my Yorkshire puddings from my cold dead hands

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 05/04/2020 19:57

Plus you can eat them with syrup

Winesalot · 05/04/2020 20:05

Oh no!!! I missed the great debate. I did enjoy story that was being spun by OP (in which ever guise which writing at the end) though.

I almost feel like copying that original post and seeing where it was first posted and on which other forums.

I had so much to ask too!!!

I have to say though that I felt Bakula’s Captain Archer feels like a mirror to his Pride in NCIS. But great escapism all round .... just like QL.

FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 20:09

Has any one seen Source Code? Great one for the QL fans to geek out to, and Bakula has a very sneaky cameo.

Tinsel, you are the queen of serendipitous invention. Yorkshires on toast? That's got to be the carbiest delight since a chip butty.

RedDogsBeg · 05/04/2020 20:11

I'm sure that katenlisa has posted on FWR before as just katenlisa without the numbers on the end, I recognise the name and posting style.

ByGrabtharsHammerWhatASavings · 05/04/2020 20:27

Did I read that right Rufus, Yorkshires with syrup?!

Gutted I missed the flounce, it sounded like a classic.

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 05/04/2020 20:28

Absolutely bygrabthar

My dad always did extra yorkshires so we could have some for puddin

MrsDoylesTeaBags · 05/04/2020 20:29

Yorkshires on Toast? Not sure about that but you might be onto something with the chip butty idea!

Chips in a Yorkie!.....with loads of gravy!!!

MrsSnippyPants · 05/04/2020 20:36

Thank you Floral, sanity prevails.

*The days of yorkshires only appearing on a plate with roast beef are long gone.

I put them with my chicken and load the plate with mint sauce and apple sauce.

Michelleoftheresistance · 05/04/2020 20:39

Oh dear God. Mint and apple?

That's a horror approaching the Weetbasedthingwedonotmention.

FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 20:47

When I were first pregnant, back in the mists of time, my craving was peas, gravy and plenty of mint and apple sauce. All mopped up with a floppy slice of cheap bog standard white bread.

Bliss.

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