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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

What constitutes modern day feminism

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katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 10:45

What does it mean to be a feminist in the 21st century? When I and indeed the members of my family who I would consider to be feminist were growing up it was about fighting for equal rights for women such as equal pay and better representation of women in high powered jobs and given that the Labour Party has yet again elected a male leader says to me that there is still along way to go. However I and my family members find ourselves becoming more and more uncomfortable with what some might call the more extreme side of feminism.

I fear that certain views of feminism are allowing a rather unhealthy and quite hateful form especially in relation to trans rights. As a member of the lgbt community and although I’m not trans myself I do have friends who are and I also volunteer for a local charity who support and offer counselling to trans teenagers. I see first hand the damage done by the attitudes promoted and supported by some sections of the feminist community dressed up under the guise of ‘free speech’. The trans right issue is a complex one. I don’t think children should be allowed to transition or be given hormone blockers to prevent puberty because I’m not convinced a child has the maturity to make those kind of life changing decisions although that doesn’t mean I don’t believe that children can’t be trans because I see it everyday through my work with the charity and it’s a fact of great shame that at least 70% of young trans have self harmed or tried to commit suicide because of the prejudice they face.

The biggest contentious issue appears to be that of self indentification. I fail to see how it erodes my rights as a women if a trans person chooses to self identify and personally I find the notion that people chose to self identify because they want to harm others somewhat far fetched. Yes I accept that there are some sick indivuals that do this but the fact is the majority of sex offenders offend as men not men who are self identifying as female or the other wan around. I remember mixed sex changing rooms when I was growing up and I don’t remember a vast increase in sexual assay because of it.

Now despite being accused of it on here several times by people who hide behind the guise of feminism to attack anyone who dares to defend trans rights as someone who condones sexual assault I do not in fact as a surviour of sexual assault I find that extremely offensive. Anyone trans or otherwise who commits any kind of sexual assault deserves to be castrated and strung up. Maybe one way around the shared changing room or toilet issue would be to have single cubicles or toilets as we do at our charity so it doesn’t matter who uses them because there’s only u on there. As a parent and someone who works with children who have been absued I can totally understand the argument for parents wanting to know who the child is sharing a changing room with. Personally I wouldn’t allow my son or my nieces who I regularly look after our without a grown up until they were of teenager age and then allow in groups of friends.

I’ve no doubt that this post will either be ignored or removed as mums net seems to remove anything that resembles some who supports the rights of trans people but just as the people who use feminism to try and erode or stand Agasint trans rights I to have the right to express my opinion.

The debate of feminism and trans issues needs to be less toxic and more about open discussion and tolerance of others opinions will allowing healthy debate because trans people are people and have the same right to be heard and to be given the same freedoms as any other member of society. Do I think that all feminists are transphobic absolutely not and neither do I believe that all of the trans community min are good people. There’s good and bad in everyone and every group of society but since when is that a justification for the discrimination of a whole part of society

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MrsSnippyPants · 05/04/2020 15:00

So you are bisexual.

katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 15:00

How do u know your not one

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Seventyone72seventy3 · 05/04/2020 15:01

Well I can understand the basics of feminism as in equal rights for women and men
That's not really what feminism is about though. Yes, equal rights but the focus is on women. In your version it sounds as if feminists are meant to also be working for men (which explains a lot).

MrsSnippyPants · 05/04/2020 15:01

Not one what?!

Gwynfluff · 05/04/2020 15:01

Trans or bisexual?

katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 15:02

I’m not physically attracted to men

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Justhadathought · 05/04/2020 15:02

Well I can understand the basics of feminism as in equal rights for women and men I don’t understand gender critical feminists but then that’s probably because I support the trans community

Feminism is not just about 'equal right's - but about the recognition and valuing of the female body, and the traditional female roles that arise as a result of female biology.

your support for the trans community seems to involve in dismissing women's rights to the privacy, comfort and dignity of their sex; and to the opportunity for fair competition in sport.

Feminism is about women. It centres women.

You can support your trans identified friends without steamrolling women, and rolling back their hard won and established single sex spaces, services and sports.

koshkatt · 05/04/2020 15:03

But you just said that you have slept with men? Or did you mean transmen (so women)?

katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 15:03

Working for men in which sense?

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BovaryX · 05/04/2020 15:04

I’m not physically attracted to men

How do you define 'men?'

MrsSnippyPants · 05/04/2020 15:04

I am a woman because I was born a girl (my sex was determined at conception and observed and recorded at birth)> I am now grown up so I am an adult human female.
I know I am not bisexual because I am exclusively sexually attracted to men.

It's really simple pet.

katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 15:04

My ex partner had transitioned male to female

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RedDogsBeg · 05/04/2020 15:04

katienlisa552 You the twisted fuck obsessed with what is between peoples legs

Proving yet again that an intelligent, reasonable discussion is impossible with those sucked so far into the TRA vortex, and also conclusively proving that the reason for this is that they have nothing intelligent or reasonable to offer as a basis for their beliefs, what they want is uncritical bowing down to the cult with no questions asked or objections raised as they cannot counter them.

Justhadathought · 05/04/2020 15:04

*I’m not physically attracted to men&

But if sex is not a physical thing......? Instead an inner gendered identity.....then does it matter?

koshkatt · 05/04/2020 15:05

My ex partner had transitioned male to female

So you are bisexual. That's great. Be proud of who you are!

katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 15:05

So I’m a women as I have the same sex as birth but I’m gay

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MrsSnippyPants · 05/04/2020 15:06

Anyway, this has been fun. Have you got your screenshots yet pet? Because I have to go and put a roast in the oven now. Go well.

Have a Biscuit

koshkatt · 05/04/2020 15:06

Proving yet again that an intelligent, reasonable discussion is impossible with those sucked so far into the TRA vortex, and also conclusively proving that the reason for this is that they have nothing intelligent or reasonable to offer as a basis for their beliefs, what they want is uncritical bowing down to the cult with no questions asked or objections raised as they cannot counter them

So very true.

Justhadathought · 05/04/2020 15:07

My ex partner had transitioned male to female

You are aware that is literally impossible...? The best that can be hoped for is the adoption of gendered mannerisms and clothing etc - and maybe some surgery to alter secondary sexual characteristics.

What you seem to be talking about is identifying with a certain type of gendered performance.

koshkatt · 05/04/2020 15:07

So I’m a women as I have the same sex as birth but I’m gay

But how was your sex determined at birth?

midgebabe · 05/04/2020 15:08

Can't you imagine supporting the trans community without hurting women?

Datun · 05/04/2020 15:08

No I indentify as a lesbian that what a gay women is

Well since you are entirely unable to define lesbian, gay and woman, it's a meaningless sentence.

And therefore a meaningless identity.

TinselAngel · 05/04/2020 15:08

How good are you at counting lesbians, OP?

ByGrabtharsHammerWhatASavings · 05/04/2020 15:08

This thread feels a bit like one of those channal 4 shows called things like "the man who married his car" or "the secret life of lizard people". Like, it's funny, but I also feel kind of grubby for finding it so funny. I'm going for a shower. Maybe when I get back the OP will have finally given us their incorrect and incoherent description of intersex conditions and I can call bingo and get on with my day.

katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 15:09

Well I don’t know if this is possible but a psychiatrist that I worked with in my old job said to me that it’s a person you are attracted to their personality not their gender therefore anyone could fall in love with someone of any sex I though it was a load of rubbish

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