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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Hungary's Orban reversing self-ID

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midcenturylegs · 02/04/2020 12:12

Hungary's far-right prime minister Viktor Orban has moved to strip away trans rights as one of his very first acts after his pandemic power grab. On Monday, the Hungarian parliament agreed to extend Orban's already strong powers by granting him the right to rule by decree indefinitely, meaning he no longer needs to consult other lawmakers before making decisions. His powers came into effect on Monday morning, and by the evening his deputy Zsolt Semjén had introduced a new bill which, if passed, will replace "gender" with "birth sex" in all legal documents issued in the country. The effect of this is that Hungarian citizens will be unable to change their gender legally, a significant rollback of rights in the eastern European country. Since data in official documents such as ID cards, driving licenses and passports are taken from the civil registry, the change would affect these as well. The explanatory memorandum of the bill states that current legislation does not define "gender" as it is determined biologically, adding: "The gender entered into the civil registry is based on facts determined by doctors, declared by the registry." It further states: "Given that completely changing one's biological gender is impossible, it is necessary to lay it down in law that it cannot be changed in the civil registry either.

www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/04/01/hungary-viktor-orban-trans-rights-bill-rule-decree-coronavirus-transphobia-gender-zsolt-semjen/

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Thelnebriati · 03/04/2020 21:30

Much better article by Julie Bindel;

''Hungary is a country close to my heart. I have spent a fair bit of time there investigating violence against women and girls, including trafficking into the sex trade, baby farming and adoption scams. I have become friends with feminist campaigners there, as well as others on the progressive Left. For some years now, many small and barely funded NGOs have been stripped of the right to organise — charities that help victims of sexual assault, gypsies and travellers, asylum seekers and minorities, all of whom suffer grotesque human rights violations.

And things are about to get a whole lot worse for a lot of people as Viktor Orban plans a further clampdown on human rights.''

unherd.com/thepost/the-orban-decree-is-scary-but-its-about-more-than-trans-rights/

BrexpatInSwitzerland · 03/04/2020 21:57

There has to be a third way.
If it mean anything at all: I'm with you - and I know I'm not alone, either.

It's a NO, FUCK THE FUCK OFF! to TRAs seeking to undermine women's rights and out entitlement to define who we are as a class in the name of identity politics.

It's also a decided NO, FUCK THE FUCK OFF, I'M NOT FALLING FOR YOUR CRAP AND WOMEN AND MINORITIES ARE NOT SACRIFICIAL LAMBS to the likes of Orban and his fascist mates, though!

I'm on my umpteenth name change, so I've been here before and have posted and read along.

But THIS is the hill that I am personally going to die on if needs must!

LilacTree1 · 03/04/2020 21:59

In terms of getting a “not dictator” to do it, there’s been progress in Idaho this week

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/idaho-governor-antitrangender-lgbt-us-bills-legislation-a9439621.html?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1585702821

WrathofFaeKIopp · 03/04/2020 22:11

MedusasButterDish
That link puts it all into perspective. Thankyou.

BeetrootRocks · 03/04/2020 23:56

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Hungary is fucked. The man is a nightmare and has just put himself in power forever.

Idaho? They are seriously anti abortion aren't they?

These people are no friends of women, gay people, letting people including those who prefer to adopt the typical clothes etc of the other sex.

Is this thread about screenshots to show that GC women are right wing nutters?

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 04/04/2020 09:07

As usual, Bindel is spot on. Pink News, otoh, gives not a single fuck about human rights in general and thus won't have noticed that the Hungarian government has been pissing all over them for quite some time now.

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