Controversial networks (considered by some to be "cults") mumsnet readers need to be aware of

[hoodathunkit]

This is going to be a very long thread and posting it is very overdue

The word "cult" is quite loaded and obviously one person's religious movement or psychotherapy / life coaching / wellness organisation is another person's cult.

Sometimes cultic dynamics arise in family and extended family groups also, so the word "cult" can be a loaded and problematic one.

There is a lot I need to share here, this is made more urgent by the fact that, while I train hard and am fairly healthy, I do have underlying health problems that mean there is a chance I may not survive the comming storm.

I am somewhat dyslexic and have always struggled with spelling. I am pushed for time and do not trust spelling / grammar apps on my computer so I hope readers will forgive my occasional typos, spelling mistakes and grammatical errors.

I will be doing this in small, digestible posts for ease of reading.

I would say "enjoy!" but what I am about to share is not remotely enjoyable. This is going to be a thread of horrifying, dark, twisty rabbit holes with many network links to material other posters here have shared.

More to follow shortly

There's no conspiracy about people not wanting to acknowledge this or wanting it not to be "seen".

The OP's plethora of incoherent posts one after the other just make her out to be unwell (which she has admitted).

OP, you should gather all of this information into a blog or a website, then post just the link. The overload of information in multiple posts isn't a particularly effective way of information dissemination, as it makes you look unhinged.

it makes you look unhinged.

Suggesting to women that they are unstable, ill or insane is a male abuse tactic that is well recognised on the feminist boards.

@Bezalelle

What made you think your opinion was of any relevance? Let alone your self important and rude suggestions.

If you dont like the purpose of the thread and how it is written move on to one you do!

Seriously - the only person you have shown up is yourself.

Suggesting to women that they are unstable, ill or insane is a male abuse tactic that is well recognised on the feminist boards.

Absolutely. When somebody tells a woman 'you look unhinged' it makes me listen harder to what she has to say.

My friends and I played the Snow Queen as children. I assumed back then that St Brides was a cool school where children like me were taught to make computer games. Not a sex cult.

hooda

because I messed them up the first time.

I've told my partner and a friend about some of the things in your post and they are as equally intrigued at me.
Have time now so will watch the YouTube videos.

As intrigued as I am

I was actually thinking of writing something about the Atlantis group the other day - I know a lot about them and somebody mentioned them to me. But I always thought that "Miss Martindale" was actually Snowy James, the sister of Jenny James, who founded Atlantis. Maybe I'm wrong?

But, either way hoodathunkit, I think that you're unhealthily obsessed with this subject and should take steps to look after yourself.

This is so creepy and something well worth investigating. Thank you for posting this, OP.

This is very interesting hood, thanks for posting. I'm not able to look at all the links just yet because I don't have time, but also as I read the posts, I'm starting to see similarities between this TIM and someone my father knew (also TIM) when I was a kid. It gives me a very odd feeling that I had from that person and I'm not ready to go too into it. Can't say much more either as it's outing (and I like my username so don't want to find another!), but keep going with this.

I wonder if any of the agricultural folk way down under have anything about this, or if not, if they'll pick up on your links and make a thread there.

I do like "the agricultural folk" and agree that's a good idea.

I also am puzzled by all of these strange comments about OP. I can't remember ever seeing comments like this on any other thread here on Mumsnet. Mind you I've only been here about a year, but still..

In the time I've been here, however, I have noticed a few names of members that I never skim past but stop to see what they have to say. I have favourite posters is what I'm trying to say.

hoodathunkit is one of those.

oops, please ignore above post, C&Pd in a hurry will ask mods to delete

actual post below

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I had a really good sleep last night and am going to venture outside into a remote area to exercise as hard as I can while I still am able.

If I was just looking after myself I would risk the gym (the odds are that I will survive this even with my health problems as I exercise very seriously every day) but because I live in close proximity to many very frail and elderly people I have to consider them and alter my exercise plans accordingly.

Thank you so much to the many very kind posters who have been supportive to me here. I am living in a situation in which I endure gaslighting on a daily basis and it means a lot to me, much more than I can say.

To those who say I sound unhinged, well, in a way I can understand this to some extent.

I am a trained mental health professional and I can understand exactly how this works.

I have a massive internal drive in my mind containing details of various actors and networks. I also have back up copies with tens of thousands of videos and screen shots on an assortment of hard drives. I am neuro-atypical and one of my talents is understanding networks and nodes and collecting and interpreting data.

It may very well appear that I am obsessed with research.

Some neuro-atypical people collect information about trains, some about James Bond movies, some about knitting patterns. I collect data about cults and criminal networks. It is just how I am wired and, to be honest, I find it fascinating.

I think that I would sound a lot less "obsessed" if I wrote everything down in a blog properly or made podcasts or films. I have been working on planning all of these things but I am very pushed for time and I need others to take up the slack and help if they can.

As a result of being gaslighted and worse I live in extremely reduced circumstances. I have been advised by the few people I have shown some of my data to that I have enough material for several seasons of podcasts and several full length documentaries.

Making money is not my prime objective, and I do not trust the press to deal with my data seriously.

I would love to not have to live in a horrible gaslighting situation but I can endure it if I have to, and sadly I think I am going to not have much of an option.

I am not precious about the material I have, partly because I understand that information (true and false) spreads like a virus. Cults and criminal networks that operate via social contagion also spread like a virus.

I have many times experienced people announcing that they have discovered or researched something that I told them previously. In such a situation I believe that the person is not lying or trying to steal my ideas or work. People simply forget where they heard or read things and believe that they made the connection themselves.

This kind of situation, where people believe that they have discovered things for themselves, is exactly what I want to happen. It is a vaccination against a mind virus that will not happen if I try to impart information in a didactic manner.

Cults operate by putting ideas into people's minds and persuading people to believe that these ideas came from their own body or authentic self.

I have discovered things that I would loe to share about Aristasia but if people are on lockdown and can help research this and discover things for themselves and help other to discover them then this is by far the best chance of combatting the mind virus that afflicts us currently.

In my experience of being told that I am obsessd or too mentally unwell to be taken seriously, some people are threatened by me for obvious reasons.

Others, and I have encountered this a couple of times, are people who have been researching some of the same material and are dismayed that I am revealing exciting issues that they had been working on.

I have so much to share, if someone has more information than me and wants to blog about it, make films or podcasts about it or post it here I would encourage them to do so. I would be extremely interested in hearing from GrumpyGran8 (whose posts I have appreciated in the past) about the Atlantic commune and the Jones family.

All I can say is that anyone who has details of these cults and issues is welcome to post what they want to here. We need to fight this together.

I would like to post more right now but I have to take the opportunity to get out and exercise while I can

Stay strong everyone, will post again probably tonight :)

I always read your posts hood.

Thanks for doing this.

And have direct family contact with a cult which was very damaging to all

I haven't had the time to read anything in full but you're perfectly entitled, if you think it's important, to make sure all of the information you've collated is published. I've read your other posts Hood and you've always come across as well-informed.
More concerned about your health. Is there anyone local nearby who can support you? I have heard that local churches (of all denominations) are mobilising in communities to provide support to those isolating and/or vulnerable.

Hooda

The Birth of a Gender-Genre: Intemorphiction FAQ

Do you know when this was written, the FAO on the sundaughter website?

The language about gender is familiar...interesting that the term sex is not used apart from saying that:

.Darwin fundamentally changed what Tellurian human beings think they are and made possible the concept of “sex” in the modern sense (the word is first used in that sense 1926, by the way).

I understand the they are saying Intermorphiction is a genre, but then it's like they are saying it's an actual world, an alternative world.

As a result of being gaslighted and worse I live in extremely reduced circumstances.

Yes, for those if us in similar situations, we can see that effect=/=cause.

A very interesting archive. Thank you. To be bookmarked looked at in more detail at a later point.

Some people certainly do seem to have some very niche activities.....and preoccupations. It's a strange old world.

Out of interest, I also lived in a large squatting collective in London in the early 1980's ( Gray's Inn buildings, EC1). That wasn't where you lived was it?

I was also into goddess paths and spirituality at around about that time......but thankfully never came across any of that lot; although have heard of 'the Screamers'.

I get what you are saying too - I think some posters have been quite rude and not prepared to spend a minute or two considering your content. I didn't click on the videos, but I read one of the text links

Absolutely, many people don't like to look beyond surfaces, and given the anonymity of on-line posting , can be downright vile........

OP, you should gather all of this information into a blog or a website, then post just the link. The overload of information in multiple posts isn't a particularly effective way of information dissemination, as it makes you look unhinged

Quite frankly, this post makes you seem suspicious, at least......if not very controlling and manipulative.

I am not precious about the material I have, partly because I understand that information (true and false) spreads like a virus. Cults and criminal networks that operate via social contagion also spread like a virus

A very pertinent comment, and the links between contagions, boundaries, safeguarding and too permeable borders is something I have been reflecting on quite a bit in recent days.

Hi hood please forgive me, I skipped over this initially, it was dismissive of me but I'm going to go back over and read/watch as much as I can. I can see you've spent a lot of time on this and went down several rabbit holes.

I want to learn more so let me get up to speed and come back to you to see if I can help research.

Do take care of yourself. You're not mad xx

One of my good school friends went into a cult in Queen Carmel Somerset and is still there. Some 25 years of her life have gone by.

Paraphrased.

"St Brides created Jack the Ripper computer game for Spectrum computer in the 1980's, the first computer game to be classified as 18 by the British Board of Film Classification".

Hmmmm.