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13 year old girl 'brainwashed' into thinking she's a boy

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BovaryX · 15/03/2020 06:25

There is an article in the Mail by a couple who allege that their daughter's school brainwashed the 13 year old during weekly sessions with the head of the school's LGBT group during which she became convinced she was a boy. She was also directed to a trans activist website featuring people showing their mastectomy scars and minimising the surgery. What on earth is going on in UK schools?

Ashleigh and Ged Barnett allege that until the one-to-one sessions began last September, their daughter appeared comfortable in her body and showed little interest in transgender issues.But they say she had changed completely by November, sporting a short haircut and talking about feeling that she was really a boy.

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SisyphusLangClegRocks · 15/03/2020 07:18

Similar thing happened to my granddaughter's best friend. She ended up believing she was a gay male. It's grooming.

rogdmum · 15/03/2020 07:43

It’s the comment here from the HT that really gets to me:

“In recent email correspondence with the couple, headteacher Jane Davies said she believed their daughter should be left to use the changing facilities she preferred.

‘We will continue to provide a safe environment for [your child], but it is not our place to alert you to how she feels,’ she wrote.”

That’s so similar to the attitude from our 14 year old DD’s Year Head (also head of the school LGBT club). We did find out because he told our 17 year old DS (but not us), but then when I met the YH and outlined our daughter’s complicated mental health history and ASD, he had no interest and told me we had no say as parents re the school formally transitioning her.

I now know so many parents across the country where this has happened. It’s a complete breakdown in safeguarding- positive affirmation is an experimental approach and schools should not be playing any part in it.

BovaryX · 15/03/2020 07:49

I now know so many parents across the country where this has happened. It’s a complete breakdown in safeguarding- positive affirmation is an experimental approach and schools should not be playing any part in it

rogdmum
It really is shocking. Your account of what happened to your daughter is further evidence that this affirmative policy permeates the school system. This seems designed to encourage young girls to feel unhappy in their own skin. What school does that? It's appalling.

Our daughter was egged on to feel that she’s a boy in a girl’s body,’ Mrs Barnett said. ‘The teaching assistant also pointed her in the direction of a YouTube website of a trans activist, which featured a video where they showed off their mastectomy scars and told how well the operation had gone.’The couple said they were furious when they found school staff had let the teenager attend the sessions ‘behind our backs’. Mrs Barnett said: ‘The school didn’t think it was fit to tell us. We are her parents, but responsibility to care for our child has been taken away. The attitude is that it’s the child’s choice and it’s got nothing to do with us

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definitelygc · 15/03/2020 07:53

Reading the article it seems that the Head of the LGBT group "mentoring" this young girl is a man. Why is an adult male talking to a 13 year old girl about gender dysphoria? I'm assuming these conversations will involve talking about feeling uncomfortable with breasts, genitals, sexuality... Apart from the obvious issues here, surely this is a massive red flag?

Lordfrontpaw · 15/03/2020 07:55

How did the school think that it was ok to take a 13 year old child and basically ‘teach’ her that she was on the wrong body - showing her mastectomy scars? Private/secret 1-2-1 sessions? Oh come on!

These groups are not trained yet they are allowed free access without parent’s knowledge.

I hope the parents take them to court

Sicario · 15/03/2020 07:58

I would sue their arse off.

OhHolyJesus · 15/03/2020 08:04

Who are these EIKON people? Education in parenting? WTF?

eikon.org.uk/

EIKON'S OBJECTIVE IS TO OBSERVE, UNDERSTAND AND RESPOND TO THE NEEDS OF YOUNG PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND TO HELP PREVENT THE ONSET OF SERIOUS DIFFICULTIES BY OFFERING EARLY INTERVENTION. WE AIM TO ENABLE YOUNG PEOPLE TO REACH THEIR FULL POTENTIAL AND TO RESPOND TO THE INCREASING NEEDS OF FAMILIES BY PROVIDING SUPPORT AND EDUCATION IN PARENTING.

apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/CharityWithPartB.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=1109190&SubsidiaryNumber=0

Languishingfemale · 15/03/2020 08:08

Grooming children in plain sight. The school wouldn't allow a group for children with eating disorders, a group looking at self harm would be banned yet they allow unqualified adults to run "LGBT" groups with no educational or safeguarding frameworks - and this is the outcome.
And shame on the Headteacher for completely failing with her safeguarding responsibilities and duty of care.

BovaryX · 15/03/2020 08:19

Grooming children in plain sight. The school wouldn't allow a group for children with eating disorders, a group looking at self harm would be banned yet they allow unqualified adults to run "LGBT" groups with no educational or safeguarding frameworks - and this is the outcome. And shame on the Headteacher for completely failing with her safeguarding responsibilities and duty of care

It is absolutely shocking. A while ago, there was a discussion on here about a children's book which encouraged girls to feel happy and confident in their own skin. It was denounced as 'transphobic' for reasons I couldn't fathom. Now I understand. The aim is to make children feel profoundly uncomfortable in their own skin. The useful idiots in positions of power who are enabling this should hang their heads in shame.

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BovaryX · 15/03/2020 08:21

Reading the article it seems that the Head of the LGBT group "mentoring" this young girl is a man. Why is an adult male talking to a 13 year old girl about gender dysphoria? I'm assuming these conversations will involve talking about feeling uncomfortable with breasts, genitals, sexuality... Apart from the obvious issues here, surely this is a massive red flag?

It is barking mad. Where are the adults? The grownups with a functioning brain cell?

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rogdmum · 15/03/2020 08:23

Yes, Bovary and it goes right to the top of the people with influence over child policy. I found out last week that the Children’s Commissioner in Scotland, Bruce Adamson, supports lowering the age for a child to legally transition without parental consent to be 12 or even lower.

twitter.com/rodgmum/status/1238209308543893517?s=21

I find it utterly surreal to be living in a world where parents like me need to keep our children safe from ideology in schools driven by lobby groups and endorsed by senior public servants.

BovaryX · 15/03/2020 08:28

I find it utterly surreal to be living in a world where parents like me need to keep our children safe from ideology in schools driven by lobby groups and endorsed by senior public servants

I do not understand how this has happened. Surreal is the word. It is so insane it is difficult to comprehend how it is happening. I can't imagine what you and other parents in your situation are going through when the establishment seems aligned to support this insanity. The only thing I hope is that the increasing publicity will elicit more and more resistance. This is a niche agenda with zero public support. How the hell has it colonised so much public space?

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nauticant · 15/03/2020 08:29

Things that leap out to me are:

Mr Barnett, a company director, said: ‘It’s no coincidence that she showed no signs of gender dysphoria immediately prior to the “mentoring”, but presented with classic signs afterwards.’

The couple have submitted a series of complaints, including that the school ‘failed to tell us our daughter had identified as transgender’ and ‘failed to prevent radicalisation’.

Maybe the couple have the means and the motivation to pursue this. As we're seeing elsewhere institutions often ignore complaints until they get an adverse judgement in the courts. While it's consequence free, they look only after their own interests which at the moment is to follow where Stonewall and other dodgy outfits leads.

ChattyLion · 15/03/2020 08:29

I don’t understand the teacher’s logic for this. its very worrying. Teachers all get safeguarding training don’t they? Why do even politically genderist teachers think that children whom they would consider ‘trans’ are unworthy of being given the same standard of safeguarding protections that they would surely routinely provide to ‘cis’ children? Isn’t that ‘transphobic’?

HowDoesTheCow · 15/03/2020 08:35

It's a brand new and relatively small (2 form entry) school, the first pupils are only in year 11 now. This child will be very identifiable.

NotTerfNorCis · 15/03/2020 08:37

It's so easy for kids that age to be influenced. Most of us aren't all that happy during adolescence, and along comes a way out, a way to feel special.

kesstrel · 15/03/2020 08:37

From the article, they quote an email from the headteacher saying

‘It is important that you understand that she is old enough to make her own decisions.’

That was actually the most shocking thing to me - that a headteacher would be confident enough to put that in writing, applied to this subject. The child is not the only person who has been brainwashed here.

The complete lack of understanding of developmental psychology as regards the adolescents under her care is horrifying, but not surprising.

definitelygc · 15/03/2020 08:39

Teachers all get safeguarding training don’t they?

I think this story is part of a wider trend of teachers blindly wading into topics for which they have no training. I was chatting to a primary school teacher the other week who was telling me about Mental Health Awareness week at her school. One of the things she did was talk about depression / self harm / suicide with her year 5 class. This was based on zero training, zero curriculum, she just made it up as she went along. I asked if she knew about the Samaritans guidelines on talking about suicide - she had no idea.

BovaryX · 15/03/2020 08:39

Maybe the couple have the means and the motivation to pursue this. As we're seeing elsewhere institutions often ignore complaints until they get an adverse judgement in the courts

That's an interesting point nauticant It's reminiscent of Harry Miller. Resistance is only possible with substantial means. How many more Harry Millers with a police record and no means to challenge this? How many Keira Bells? But as you say, adverse court judgements are key.

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rogdmum · 15/03/2020 08:40

ChattyLion Parents are treated with suspicion on this issue. Positive affirmation is pushed as the only acceptable path for schools to take- they are given the usual debunked suicide stats etc and not affirming is painted as such a horrific picture that all you need is one evangelical teacher and you end up in a culture of secrecy.

In Scotland (and many other places), schools are told to not tell parents unless the child agrees. They frame it as a safeguarding issue in case the parents don’t affirm the child. They make NO mention of watchful waiting (with or without counselling) as a long established approach and schools don’t take the time to properly investigate the issue.

We were told that LGBT Youth Scotland were the experts and so the schools follows them. They were not happy when I said they were a lobby group and not child development experts. (To give them credit, they do now seem to be rethinking their approach but has been quite the battle and I don’t trust them).

13 year old girl 'brainwashed' into thinking she's a boy
DuLANGDuLANGDuLANG · 15/03/2020 08:43

It was 1-2-1 sessions with the school counsellor that made DsD want a mastectomy.

It’s like a cult, a cult that recruits in schools.

Lordfrontpaw · 15/03/2020 09:02

It’s like a religion. We had a very religious primary school teacher who was always spreading the word (we didn’t like her so weren’t overly influenced!). Can you imagine a young charismatic teacher who takes you under his wing, tells you what’s wrong with you... xyz is normal, shows you cosmetic mammography scars and says it works out fine...

This teacher shouldn’t really be near kids. Yes, it’s like a cult. They would have absolutely targeted my sister and god knows where we’d be by now.

borntobequiet · 15/03/2020 09:20

When I was a child undergoing a (very traditional) Catholic education I was distressed by the emphasis on the cruelty of the Crucifixion and associated images, the constant reiteration of the deaths of martyrs (and images), and the disconnect between this overt cruelty and the insistence that God was all-loving. I didn’t realise that this was abusive until adulthood.
I’m horribly reminded of it now. Especially in the way that adults who are supposed to be in nurturing roles are promulgating the dogma.

endofthelinefinally · 15/03/2020 09:41

Safeguarding has been undermined steadily, under the radar, in all state run institutions in recent years. Even in child protection. The NSPCC. Stonewall training is everywhere.
Its a long game.