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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

13 year old girl 'brainwashed' into thinking she's a boy

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BovaryX · 15/03/2020 06:25

There is an article in the Mail by a couple who allege that their daughter's school brainwashed the 13 year old during weekly sessions with the head of the school's LGBT group during which she became convinced she was a boy. She was also directed to a trans activist website featuring people showing their mastectomy scars and minimising the surgery. What on earth is going on in UK schools?

Ashleigh and Ged Barnett allege that until the one-to-one sessions began last September, their daughter appeared comfortable in her body and showed little interest in transgender issues.But they say she had changed completely by November, sporting a short haircut and talking about feeling that she was really a boy.

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OhHolyJesus · 15/03/2020 09:48

There are more and more 'organisations' going into schools to 'train' the teachers. Stonewall and Mermaids aren't the only ones. The lost is getting longer, I think we all need to check what is being taught in the schools and it seems we need to specifically state that no 1-2-1 session can take lace without consent. No one would ever imagine that we needed to be so guarded and cautious. This erodes trust in schools for me completely.

I'm also fascinated by this charity though, I'll look more into them.

The schools aren't applying critical thinking, as PP says, the children aren't the only ones who are brainwashed.

Lordfrontpaw · 15/03/2020 09:50

Why isn’t there a national outcry! It’s all being normalised.

definitelygc · 15/03/2020 09:53

While there are certainly cult-like elements here, unfortunately we are now in a position where a large proportion of the general public (particularly the middle classes) believe in the idea of "true trans". Articles like this make clear that grooming and misdiagnosis is a problem but it still does not challenge the idea that there is no such thing as "born in the wrong body". We are still a long way from people realising that telling any child they were born in the wrong body is child abuse. Certainly every one of my teacher friends believes in the idea that some kids truly are trans and the only way for them to live happy adult lives is hormones and surgery.

endofthelinefinally · 15/03/2020 09:54

I think it has been so carefully planned and orchestrated, silencing seems to be very effective.
Also, I think lots of people are in denial.
I have tried to talk to a couple of family members about this and they just put their hands up and don't want to know.

SarahTancredi · 15/03/2020 09:54

This reminds me of the radio interview with Keira bell. A parent called in saying how their childs' school , well that their eyes lit up at the mention of it all.

Seems schools are desperate to prove how woke they are and get their stonewall gold standard certificates.

Its disturbing how safeguarding is now obsolete when it comes to this stuff.

koshkatt · 15/03/2020 10:11

This is what is proposed in my school. Stonewall have their grubby hands all over us and have been welcomed in by senior leaders.

We have been told not to inform parents if a student is transitioning at school (we have several) and to pretend that h/she is not transitioning if the parents do not know (lying to parents). We have been told that any questioning of any sort is transphobic and that we MUST affirm - anything else is transphobic. Our toilet facilities are 'under review', ditto for changing and also single sex sport. Stonewall are going to give us an 'audit' - whatever the fuck that means - it cannot be good though, right?

And yes, several staff are going to leave over this. We are in the South East where jobs are easier to come by - not sure teachers elsewhere will have that degree of luxury.

It is like schools/staff have forgtten ALL of their basic safeguarding.

Lordfrontpaw · 15/03/2020 10:12

I think any parent whose school is stonewalled or on their - or similar - radar should flag this story.

koshkatt · 15/03/2020 10:29

But the parents are not aware. THAT is one of the major issues here. And if they are aware they think that Stonewall is ok due to its sterling work in the past when it wasn't homophobic.

koshkatt · 15/03/2020 10:30

Its a fucking mess. It's tragic.

RuffleCrow · 15/03/2020 10:34

Good on them for speaking out and good on the mail for publishing it. Sooner or later the tide will have turned so far the TRA/MRA/MAP scum will be scurrying back under their rocks for cover.

koshkatt · 15/03/2020 10:35

God I hope that you are right Ruffle.

FloralBunting · 15/03/2020 10:36

A Stonewall audit?

Yeah, that doesn't sound sinister as all fuck, does it? Jaysus, this is has to stop.

ChattyLion · 15/03/2020 10:37

Rogdmum, DuLang Flowers I am so sorry.

Those guidelines are shocking. These groups are political advocacy groups. At best, some of them could say they have some expertise in facilitating peer-led self-help groups for adults. But they are really just there to lobby for their own interest group. Which is perfectly fine as an organisational aim, but why then would their pronouncements on the care of children and young people carry any weight at all with anybody else?

Any school or local authority or any organisation promoting or facilitating this line should be able to specify in detail why these groups’ guidance is more weighty or more professional expert-led or more evidence-based than anyone else’s. They should also be able to comment on the self-selecting nature of the political affiliations that lead people to these lobby groups, who do not promote any research with children or families to support their conclusions and who do not support detransitioned young people or their families (so are only seeing part of the experience of children and young people who transition).

I have no specific knowledge about safeguarding children but if people have concerns about a specific child, anyone can contact their local authority’s child safeguarding board. (In England at least, don’t know about the other nations) I would hope that a CSB would respond to a more generalised concern around schools in the LA (whatever the type of school) that have adopted policies which include this heavily-politicised dogma.

I am really sorry for everyone being sucked into this. Usually when kids are particularly vulnerable they should get more scrupulous safeguarding attention, not expect their school to throw it all out the window and give kids arbitrary political labels and then based on that, seriously listen to purely political advice instead, which is based on adults needs for self-validation. It’s absolutely mind boggling and awful how these obvious red flags are being ignored.

FloralBunting · 15/03/2020 10:42

Every time I get weary, some new bit of horror burps to the surface like this and I'm given a push forward.

Safeguarding is just a jargon word for so many now, isn't it? No connection to what it means at all.

MangoHat · 15/03/2020 10:46

I did a basic PREVENT course recently - the one where you learn to recognise early signs of radicalisation, particularly among teenagers. The whole time I was doing it I could see clear links to the TRA agenda and methods.
This. Is. Radicalisation.

Languishingfemale · 15/03/2020 10:50

It is long overdue that the government stepped in to insist that safeguarding must not be undermined by any group - political lobby group or otherwise. Only the State can remove parental responsibility - and that's after all the checks and balances involving the courts. It defies belief that individual teachers and others think that they know better and can deliberately isolate a vulnerable child from their parents. Frankly adults acting like this need removing from their positions.

If ever there was a child safety emergency, this is it.

teawamutu · 15/03/2020 10:51

koshkatt is there any way you could whistleblow without risking your job? This needs sunlight.

Lordfrontpaw · 15/03/2020 11:03

School is there to educate the children. Maybe teach them some social skills NOT THIS

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 15/03/2020 12:45

I find it interesting (& terrifying) that teachers (as a group) seem to be so very susceptible to this cult.
The NHS is a similar terrifying example.

FloralBunting · 15/03/2020 12:53

Well funded, deliberate, targeted infiltration. In a nutshell.

Dervel · 15/03/2020 13:22

I think the only way this gets resolved is an equally motivated organisation opposing it. This is a culture war and as things stand the radical trans agenda has the much stronger frame, and when two ideologies rub up against one another the dominant one wins out.

There is no way out of it now without conflict.

WeetabixBananaHipsterFFS · 15/03/2020 13:57

I think this story is part of a wider trend of teachers blindly wading into topics for which they have no training.

Also, ‘training’ that goes on in schools doesn’t appear to be subject to much in the way of quality control.

allmywhat · 15/03/2020 14:03

My first reaction on reading the headline was to wonder if the 13 year old girl had been having one on one meetings with a male teaching assistant for weeks and weeks.

But not only does the headline avoid using pronouns, the whole story avoids them quite awkwardly, right up to the end until they quote Eikon who refer to this person as "him."

I guess maybe it was a female person who identifies as a man?

Lordfrontpaw · 15/03/2020 14:13

Why would a school have 1-2-1 meetings with a child and not tell the parents. If DS ever has a meeting at school they school have told us that it is their duty of care to inform us. I suppose if there was a safeguarding issue maybe? In this case it sounds like a young (I assume) enthusiastic teacher has had some shiny training and gone out looking for kids to take under his wing.

He sounds like a menace to be honest - what path could this poor child be put upon because of the guidance of this man? And isn’t a mixed sex 1-2-1 a no-no anyway? The teachers in my family won’t ever be in a situation where it’s just them and any child (either sex). So why is this teacher any different?

koshkatt · 15/03/2020 14:36

Yes this is recommended by Stonewall and trans pupils are given a 'trusted adult' to speak to confidentially.