Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

13 year old girl 'brainwashed' into thinking she's a boy

98 replies

BovaryX · 15/03/2020 06:25

There is an article in the Mail by a couple who allege that their daughter's school brainwashed the 13 year old during weekly sessions with the head of the school's LGBT group during which she became convinced she was a boy. She was also directed to a trans activist website featuring people showing their mastectomy scars and minimising the surgery. What on earth is going on in UK schools?

Ashleigh and Ged Barnett allege that until the one-to-one sessions began last September, their daughter appeared comfortable in her body and showed little interest in transgender issues.But they say she had changed completely by November, sporting a short haircut and talking about feeling that she was really a boy.

OP posts:
Lordfrontpaw · 15/03/2020 14:38

Take the children away and gain their trust. Give them gifts and power. Turn them against their parents and give them a new truth. Encourage them to denounce their parents... hang on, this isn’t a 1984 plot...

Actually it reminds me of communist China.

koshkatt · 15/03/2020 14:41

I know. Just cheked the NEU's guidance and it is Stonewall through and through.

Whistleblowing will have one effect and that would be for me to lose my job and be publicly branded. GC teachers need to be in schools tp try and mitigate I guess although I will not say that I have not considered leaving because I have.

Lordfrontpaw · 15/03/2020 14:46

Shame teachers can’t have cosy little private 1-2-1s with a responsible adult to voice their concerns.

Thingybob · 15/03/2020 15:27

So CAMHS won't get involved with chldren's gender issues because it is too specialised yet a male teaching assistant with no counseling qualification is considered an appropriate one to one mentor for a 13 year old girl.

Lordfrontpaw · 15/03/2020 16:08

But I’m sure he’s had the stonewall half day seminar (or whatever they give) and for the certificate/badge.

TheReluctantCountess · 15/03/2020 16:14

School pastoral teams are filled with people will little or no training. These people aren’t teachers.

TheReluctantCountess · 15/03/2020 16:15

*with

Languishingfemale · 15/03/2020 16:16

If people really want to see the level of grooming that is happening in schools take a look at this LGBT++++ charter mark guidelines. It's the Scottish one from the website of the primary school who welcomed in the drag queen with the porn soaked online presence. The commitment and hours needed - both from adults and children (remember these are primary children) is unbelievable.
I suspect there won't be a similar accredited system for any of the other protected characteristics -or anything like as much time devoted to safeguarding children Sad

blogs.glowscotland.org.uk/re/public/glencoatsprimary/uploads/sites/2371/2019/10/LGBT-Schools-Charter-Standards-e-use-003.pdf

rogdmum · 15/03/2020 16:18

I thank God for the very sensible Deputy Head at DD’s school. For the month that we were fighting it, she went into a very deep downward spiral, but once they stopped affirming, she bounced right back. Her therapist says this is fairly common in autistic girls- they use “being a boy” as a cloak or shield to protect themselves within their peer group, but deep down (even if subconsciously) they know it’s not right and having trusted adults validate them is negative pressure. We were able to recognise this. The Year Head was not - tried sending me to Mermaids for “education and support”. It frightens me to think where we could be right now if we hadn’t fought back/not recognised the complexity.

Sciencemightsaveyoustoriescant · 15/03/2020 16:23

Here’s another org helping mentor children under the safeguarding of schools.

www.allsortsyouth.org.uk/children-young-people/talk-it-out

FloralBunting · 15/03/2020 16:23

Well, that's lovely - you get Gold charter status if you can get rid of sex-based changing rooms, toilets or PE lessons and make everything mixed sex.

Yay equality.

FloralBunting · 15/03/2020 16:28

Oh, lovely, chats with unqualified people with a specific gender identity if requested, for children as young as 5. They stress, these people are not counsellors.

Yes, let's underline, everyone, this delightful movement doesn't think 'gender questioning' or 'LGBTU' children deserve actual professional standards or safeguarding. They think a cabal of well meaning idiots armed with YouTube mastectomy promotion vids is good enough.

Disgusting.

Languishingfemale · 15/03/2020 16:31

Thank heavens the school finally appreciated what they were unwittingly doing rogdmum.

The behaviour of the adult involved with this child constitutes professional dangerousness. His own assumptions, attitudes and behaviour have led him to breach boundaries and to 'dabble' in an aspect of this child's life for which he has no qualifications. The school have enabled this - again stepping way beyond their professional boundaries. The level of professional arrogance is astonishing.
I really wish we could hold to account all those shadowy figures behind the promotion of all these guidelines telling schools that this is their role (not to mention a deep dive into their hard drives) .

Lordfrontpaw · 15/03/2020 16:59

I wonder how much training these people actually have? And is it enough to know what they shouldn’t touch with a bargepole?

I am a trained therapist and there are areas that I won’t touch (personal comfort) and things I just wouldn’t feel experienced enough to touch - depression in children and gender confusion are two (and I know my stuff). So a teacher gets a quick seminar and they are good to go? No exams, practice, supervision, ongoing assessment? Why is that allowed?

NearlyGranny · 15/03/2020 18:08

Is anyone else making the link with the police response to the grooming gangs where distraught parents were being told their 12, 13 and 14 yo daughters had made a 'life choice' for prostitution and they were powerless to interfere?

Did we really learn nothing about safeguarding from that?

FloralBunting · 15/03/2020 18:12

In a word, No.

ChattyLion · 15/03/2020 20:55

Exactly nearlygranny a political misogynistic label was stuck on those groomed girls as being sluts or asking for it or whatever shit it was, and then suddenly all the responsible adults around them stop asking any questions or acting on the very serious red flags that were plain as day. Othering children is completely unacceptable and completely anti- safeguarding.

Thinkingabout1t · 16/03/2020 01:13

Is anyone else making the link with the police response to the grooming gangs where distraught parents were being told their 12, 13 and 14 yo daughters had made a 'life choice' for prostitution and they were powerless to interfere? Did we really learn nothing about safeguarding from that?

This.

R0wantrees · 16/03/2020 11:30

I don’t understand the teacher’s logic for this. its very worrying.
Teachers all get safeguarding training don’t they?

Many teachers & teaching assistants are trained to apply Safeguarding policies, not trained to actually understand Safeguarding in such a way that it informs their decision making.

This head teacher clearly does not understand Safeguarding.

R0wantrees · 16/03/2020 11:33

Is anyone else making the link with the police response to the grooming gangs where distraught parents were being told their 12, 13 and 14 yo daughters had made a 'life choice' for prostitution and they were powerless to interfere? Did we really learn nothing about safeguarding from that?

Its a very important link.
The Safeguarding framework which was disregarded was age-based.

Now sex-based Safeguarding is disregarded.

In both cases girls are disproportionately harmed.

R0wantrees · 16/03/2020 11:36

We were able to recognise this. The Year Head was not - tried sending me to Mermaids for “education and support”. It frightens me to think where we could be right now if we hadn’t fought back/not recognised the complexity.

The Year Head does not understand Safeguarding or their Safeguarding responsibilities.

rogdmum · 16/03/2020 13:13

I’ve told the school I think he is a safeguarding risk but they don’t seem bothered. The Head of Guidance told me at a meeting a couple of months later that the school would not recommend Mermaids to anyone- he was completely unaware that the Year Head had done exactly that! Who knows how many other parents or worse, children, he has pointed towards Mermaids. The school is a mess on the issue, though they do seem to be listening to me a bit now and have agreed to not affirm my daughter for the time being.

I use Rotherdam a lot when I am serial emailing MPs. After Keir Starmer gave a response to my question about pushing for the promised govt inquiry during his Mumsnet we chat, I sent him an email with more detail about us and ended it,

“At some point, this issue will come to a head and it will be a mixture of Paterson, Wakefield and Rotherdam. It is happening in plain sight and not a single politician will speak out. Not a single one.”

He never responded, unsurprisingly.

littlejalapeno · 16/03/2020 13:26

I have a friend who felt like they were born in the wrong body from an early age, and was vocal about it. If a person feels that way it will come from them and doesn’t need to be coaxed out and shaped by “guidance counsellors”

Puberty is a tough time and every one I know male and female has a story about how they felt weird at some point during it.

A male friend had a bit more breast tissue than is “usual” develop during puberty and his mum took him to a doctor who said it was perfectly normal because we’re all different. I worry that these kind of people would tell him that it’s because his body is actually a woman’s body.

When did this go from supporting kids during a troubled time to make an inclusive safe space to encouraging them to act on their fears and worries to cut bits of their bodies off? The two trans people I know do not agree with a lot of these practices and say it wouldn’t have helped them.

R0wantrees · 16/03/2020 13:41

I use Rotherdam a lot when I am serial emailing MPs. After Keir Starmer gave a response to my question about pushing for the promised govt inquiry during his Mumsnet we chat, I sent him an email with more detail about us and ended it,

“At some point, this issue will come to a head and it will be a mixture of Paterson, Wakefield and Rotherdam. It is happening in plain sight and not a single politician will speak out. Not a single one.”

There are very clear parallels with all of the major Safeguarding failures being identified by the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse.
Safeguarding frameworks exist, failures happen when they are disregarded & when there are systemic failings large numbers of children and/or Vulnerable Adults are left unprotected.
Whistleblowers being ignored or silenced should be a very clear red flag. Politicians, SLT & school governors need reminding of the consequences of not taking seriously those raising Safeguarding concerns.

Its also worth reminding politicians with regards Mermaids of the promises of 'lessons learned' after Kids Company.

'Helping protect children from sexual abuse now and in the future'
www.iicsa.org.uk/

R0wantrees · 16/03/2020 13:46

I have a friend who felt like they were born in the wrong body from an early age, and was vocal about it. If a person feels that way it will come from them and doesn’t need to be coaxed out and shaped by “guidance counsellors”

If a young child (under 8) thinks they are the opposite sex then established understanding of child development needs to inform responses by adults around that child.
Dr Katie Alcock (Developmental Psychologist)article:
medium.com/@katieja/young-children-reality-sex-and-gender-3421f4f165f1