8 year old boy wants to change with the girls

[FairytaleofBykerGrove]

I’ve been informed that a boy in my daughters class ‘feels like a girl’. He’s been wearing dresses to school for a while (fine) and now wants to change with the girls for swimming. Apparently the children will all accept it no problem and they’d like the parents to do the same. He will be under a poncho towel so we don’t have to worry about his privacy(?) I am really very unhappy with this. Which is why I’m up at 3 in the morning. The other parents I’ve spoken to don’t seem to care either way. I can’t understand it at all. Do you have any advice for me?

You're welcome to your private beliefs about gender, but you don't get to enforce them on others
Super, super ironic

I'm not sure what you see ,or interpret, as ironic? Is it that you are confusing gender constructions and 'identities' with the physical and measurable reality of sex. Universally recognised?

Nobody asked the baby girl, buried in a clay pot at birth, how she identified' nor the 8 year old girl forcefully married off to a man older enough to be her great grandparent.......

Please don’t misgender this boy. He calls himself a he (who is a girl).

Don’t get why it’s ironic either.

'"You're welcome to your private beliefs about gender, but you don't get to enforce them on others"

Super, super ironic.'

Separation in changing etc is based on sex. Nothing to do with gender.

I genuinely think there is much confusion about the differences between sex and gender - hence Dawn Butler suggesting that babies are born without a sex ( how embarrassing). This is what happens when you do not test out your theories on a wider public, or enable them to be tested and scrutinised. You end up with a bunker mentality

Also to the person that asked, I'm not going to go into detail about my sex life fucking hell why would you ask someone that? Totally weird.

Because I totally knew (as you’ve proved) that you wouldn’t be able to answer it. Either answer would expose your total hypocrisy in one direction or the other.

I think the language has been obfuscated deliberately

But 99.999% of the population of the world know what female and male are

And that includes all the other mammals, they might be 100%, but if course you can't ask

Also occurs to me that Lisa Nandy has now settled upon a stock response to the 'gender' debate, in various interviews over the last couple of weeks. In having to row back from her previous ill founded and un-researched 'denunciations', she has had to try to reformulate pretty quickly - but her re-formulations are just begging to be tested.

So, Lisa...if you want to protect women's single sex spaces and provisions, but at the same time you suggest that TWAW - how do you go about that? And if Self ID is a 'human right' then who is to say that anyone could not, or will not, identify as a woman?What does woman mean if sex is irrelevant?

I really don't think she's thought it through.....

I wouldn't have thought it's that personal as a lesbian to say no I don't do dick.

I'm a het woman (both words old meaning) and I do do dick.

The definition of sexual orientation is based on who you fancy/ want to fuck, surely.

Is it out of line to define gay men as men who fancy other men, and not women, now? Gay porn seems to feature quite a lot of dick and a woeful lack of vagina. This isn't news, surely?

"Because I totally knew (as you’ve proved) that you wouldn’t be able to answer it. Either answer would expose your total hypocrisy in one direction or the other."

Lmao sure, it wasn't just you being weirdly obsessed with other people's sex lives and the genitalia involved.

Do you believe that it's reasonable to describe homosexuality as same sex attraction? Where a person's sex is to do with their biology (dick/ cunt etc)?

Ah here comes the “ewwwwww genitals” bit - I believe nearly all the bingo points are ticked off now

It wasn't me that went "eww genitals" in the first place. :)

What horrifies me most is that the onus of responsibility as to whether or not this situation is okay, and will or won't be accepted, is being placed upon eight year old children.

Children of eight do not have the maturity, insight or understanding to take that responsibility. Asserting our and physical boundaries is difficult enough even for adults. Primary school children of that age have no idea - nor should they be expected to have - of the implications and complexities surrounding this situation. They can have even less idea of the subliminal messages they will invariably internalize from such an expectation: highly important messages about their own bodily autonomy; their boundaries; that everlasting 'be kind' parrot cry which, it seems, is a prerequiste for benefitting everyone else's interests but their own.

Children of eight rely on responsible adults to make those decisions for them. To divest the situation back onto them - and then suggest parents should go along with it because the kids say it's OK - is a copout of incredible magnitude and a disgraceful abdication of responsibility onto young children. It's as big a failure as I've personally ever heard of in duty of care.

Had this situation related to anything other than the current relentless trans agenda being pedalled practically everywhere, I suspect there would be an outcry. Not good enough. To quote some of the wokeists' everlasting bullshit back at them, 'do better'. Much better.

"... and this is a thread about children only halfway to the age of consent."

Precisely I was originally critical of somebody asking in depth questions about my sex life in the first place! It's so odd and inappropriate.

Sweet Jesus...

Lmao sure, it wasn't just you being weirdly obsessed with other people's sex lives and the genitalia involved

What is a sex life, in a world without sex? Perhaps we should dispense with the bodies and vibrate at each other?

Lmao sure, it wasn't just you being weirdly obsessed with other people's sex lives and the genitalia involved.

Nope, sorry to disappoint you. It was purely knowing 100% that you are unable to back your arguments up. I’m happy to be proved right. Maybe now you’ll go away and reflect on that. Because if lesbians don’t have sex with penises then penises can’t be female and have no place in a female changing room. And if penises are female then lesbians are being very discriminatory.

I can totally see why the LGB alliance felt the need to set up.

Back to 8year old children.

Girls have a right to the dignity and privacy of their sex, as do women. My five year old granddaughter has recently become more conscious and in need of of a dignified privacy. It's real; and it is needed. And it is a matter of safeguarding.

Precisely I was originally critical of somebody asking in depth questions about my sex life in the first place! It's so odd and inappropriate.

It was you who joined the thread and stated your gender beliefs and sexual orientation. Other posters were jusy seeking clarification as to why you being a ‘cis lesbian’ has fuck all to do with 8 year old children.

Can we all be re-directed back to chickenonamug's very eloquent and definitive post on the matter of healthy boundaries.

arraye

Please answer the question about the definition of homosexuality

Do you believe that it's reasonable to describe homosexuality as same sex attraction? Where a person's sex is to do with their biology (dick/ cunt etc)?

I'm really interested.