Freddy McConnell appeal today (Transman who wants to be registered as their child's father) *Title edited by MNHQ*

[MrsSnippyPants]

Haven't seen anything about this and it just popped up on Sky News. Hearing continues tomorrow

Newspaper report here
www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/transgender-man-who-gave-birth-21629478

“The film was 'conceived' before Freddy's baby“

So the whole thing is some ghastly experiment. With a real baby. For publicity or what?

A gay transgender man - so there was a ‘traditional’ dad in the process then? Ummm. Is he gay too in the traditional sense?

I don't think it was for publicity. I think it was for Freddy's sincerely held belief that Freddy's transgender status should not preclude giving birth. And I think a determination to get the law changed. To be a pioneer

No the baby was conceived with a donor. When Freddy says gay, it means a romantic preference for women

(God this is hard work)

A gay transgender man meaning that he is attracted to women which means he is not a man hence he can't be a father therefore must be the mother

So. Someone decides to do something that is so noteworthy they make a film about it. And there is no self awareness that the film is purely made because of the novelty value of what they have decided to - well not what they have done (have a baby) - but the whole web they have woven around what they have done.

Isn't a gay trans man a biological female who's attracted to biological males?

The whole thing makes my head spin, to be honest.

God be with the days when gay meant same sex attracted. Now we have a female who thinks they’re a male; attracted to females which they think makes them gay...
They are gay, but they are not male.
Freddy is either very very confused or very very stupid. Or very possibly both.

Poor Freddy Junior.

Actually, in the film it said that Freddy has only had relationships with other transmen.

So two biological females.

This case shows the mess caused by the outdated GRA. There is no reason to retain this purely emotionally validatory legal process. It should be repealed. The Equality Act can protect against any discrimination issues. People can already live how they want in their daily lives, as long as they aren’t hurting other people. We already have the Equality Act to make sure that nobody is treated unfairly.

I don’t think we should keep an anachronistic law that allows a legal paperwork sex change, because sex can never actually be changed.

GRC possession by an individual, a legal fiction, should never be allowed to change the paperwork of any other person without their consent, and most especially not another person’s birth certificate. By its nature that can’t be written with a child’s consent. It’s the child’s document of birth.
I guess it’s another element of naive drafting in the GRA that they never thought someone wanting to ‘change sex’ to ‘be male’ would also go on to have a baby.

Children need the truth of their birth. It just shouldn’t be about the parent’s wants in this case. I haven’t even taken on board yet the possible ramifications for other women and mothers if the law is changed to allow this yet. it’s just such an obviously terrible idea to try to deny children their rights to their own documents.

Hence why they needed a sperm. There was a conversation. in the documentary about how much it all cost.

The relationship did not last and Freddie was single for a while before Freddie's son was born.

The Guardian coverage was particularly biased as Freddie used to work there and may still work there.

If the baby boy is with the grandparents is Freddie has completed maternity leave and back at work. As Freddie is legally male what kind of maternity leave would be granted as maternity leave is for women and even though you can share parental leave there was no other parent present.

Freddy is being used as a test case because Freddy is female. If they win on appeal what then happens to all the males who wish to be named as mothers on their children's birth certificates? Where does this leave the actual mothers of those children?

I feel this and also the implications for surrogacy are the real motivating factors behind this case . A transman just makes for the most palatable face of what they are trying to do, which is break the legal and social understandings of what a mother is and weaken the rights women have in relation to the children they birth.

I’ve said it before, but Freddy’s case serves nicely to demonstrate what a complete piece of junk a GRC is. Freddy avowed, in front of a legal panel, to “live as a man” and then immediately got pregnant the most woman thing possible. The panel are aware of this, yet no one has rebuked Freddy, Freddy doesn’t seem to be in trouble for failing to meet their requirements. This clearly demonstrates that there is no legal definition of “live as a man” or “live as a woman” and having a GRC means nothing.

If there are no responsibilities that come with a GRC why do those who have one or seek one expect a reward for having one?

Oh yes, sorry, if Freddy is gay that means romantic attachments to men. I find this all very confusing.

According to wiki McConnoll still works for the Guardian

Really? How long until transactivists demand Freddy quits due the Guardian’s rampant ‘transphobia’?

Perhaps the purity spiral will take down both Freddy and Little OJ?

Who is funding Freddy’s legal team? GC fundraisers have had to raise a shit ton for two judicial reviews. Does Freddy have a fundraiser? Or is it all behind the scenes?

The GRA needs to be repealed. It's been a trojan horse.

This case isn't a one off, similiar cases are going on all around the globe, so even if it fails I can't see the issue going away.

Appeals of people who gave birth to be recognized as fathers, of people who provide sperm to be recognized as mother, and of nonbinary people to be designated as just parents, are at the heart of pivotal litigation around the globe. Cases stand in front of the European Court of Human Rights, the family divisions of the High Court in the UK, the Israeli Supreme court and Superior Court of Quebec, Canada. Other cases have recently concluded in Germany, Sweden, and the US. In all these jurisdictions and legal system, the court seems to baffle with the alleged incongruence between when the law believes to be biological facts and lived realities where bodies and selves exceed, they birth assignments

transpregnancy.leeds.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/70/2020/02/Trans-Pregnancy-Final-Programme.pdf

I would die on the hill of my child only having one mother: me, the woman who gave birth to her. Not the man who fathered her.

People can't change sex.
It is simply not a universal human right to rewrite your birth certificate to become factually untrue.
It is certainly not a human right to rewrite your child's birth certificate to become factually untrue.
I don't see why it should be seen as "progressive" to encourage the falsification of historical records.

If this appeal is successful will this give the green light for trans women to be listed as “mothers” on birth certificates?

It must do, otherwise it is discriminatory.

And, for my part, I think this is the reason behind it. It is male born individuals driving this, not female.

I think Freddie got a GRC and then immediately got pregnant, I'm wondering if their motivation was to test this all along.

Setting up a documentary from before conception? Determinedly going back to court when the implications for what they are demanding is so ludicrous, surely it's only throwing good money after bad? And lots of it.

I'm reminded of all the covert campaigning to pursue 'strategic litigation' in the name of the transgender ideology.

Sorry, the first paragraph was quoting someone else and meant to be in bold

Excellent point Ova excellent point.

Whether it it male born people driving it or not, the female born people can be hugely influential. I'm thinking of Whittle of course who I think has done more to dismantle single space protections than pretty much anyone else.

So if Freddy is legally a man did he get maternity leave? If so does that mean men are now entitled to maternity leave? It must otherwise it’s discrimination against men.

I'm reminded of all the covert campaigning to pursue 'strategic litigation' in the name of the transgender ideology.

Yes. There's always been a lot of money sloshing around.