In court tomorrow

[BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted]

Hayden versus Associated Newspapers.

The Judge? Go on guess. Mr Justice Julian Knowles.

Remember him? I couldn’t be happier.

This is according to contacts at the NZ fruit farm

It’s sadly not the first time though

Sentencing is fact specific. Judge Knowles remarks would have set out the facts of the offence as given in the trial. There was much nonsense reported in the press about the Broadhurst case - the press don't let the facts spoil a good story. (good from their ability to sell copy only, obvs)

So, here's me thinking that its highly unusual to have a male partner being convicted on manslaughter of a woman by gross negligence - but you say its not the first time - what other case did you have in mind ?

despite the calls of "he had strict sentencing guidelines to adhere to"

...a call for the return to palm tree justice

Mandy Barclay, Anna Banks, Vivien Scott, Anna Matthews, Margaret Cunningham and Janet O’Donaghue were all killed by men using rough sex defences who were sentenced to 5 years of less apiece.

I already linked you to the website.

It isn't an argument about consent. It's about 'intention'.

I see the proposed amendment won't result in the change in the law one iota. It's worrying that these MPs don't seem to realise this.

We know.
That’s why the website is called ‘We Can’t Consent to This’

Consent is being used as a defence.
We are saying, that can’t be possible, that these are violent men who are killing women.
Some using the defence are convicted of murder. Others manslaughter (culpable homicide in Scotland). Others evade charges.

There are threads and threads on this project and on Natalie. It’s a very important topic.

But THIS thread is about Stephanie Hayden and the law relating to trans issues.

Go start one about Justice Knowles if you like, but stop derailing this one.

Consent is being used as a defence

No it isn't.

Bye.

Toodle Pip!

DuLANGMondeFOREVER

So many of the current issues impacting women & children's rights & Safeguards ultimately come down to consent don't they?

You and I think so R0!

Who the fuck comes on FWR and talks down the work of We Can’t Consent To This?

Must be someone with a vendetta against Justice Knowles, rather than someone who cares about Natalie, huh?

I guess there must be a lot of trans activists sore over Harry the Owl and Fair Cop... perhaps we should get Mumsnet to see if any PBP are about?

DuLANGMondeFOREVER

In this case I dont think its someone motivated by trans rights activism.
Different motivation

Who the fuck comes on FWR and talks down the work of We Can’t Consent To This?

Indeed.

You and I think so R0

Indeed.

Back already?

Hi Joss, see yr still obsessed with whats being discussed here

Is Joss that twitter person who looks like Doctor from Doctor and the Medics?

Sawdust unsure whether you mean the amendment should be law, and doesn't go far enough in your opinion, or whether you think MPs are stupid for caring about women murdered by violent men. And consent demonstrably is being used as a defence. Multiple cases. It's working too. And yes, safeguarding does come down to consent very often, specifically the consent of female people to say no to males. Even when the males don't like it. Surely you'd have to be a male supremacist/incel to think there's anything wrong with that?

Not sure how this muddled flyby posting is supposed to contribute, but whatevs, Bye to you too.

sawdust comes across as someone desperate to keep the rough sex defence odd

April 2018 MN FWR discussion thread started by Stephen Whittle (prominent trans rights campaigner) had focus on concerns of posters, who were predominately mothers, about the new Girl Guides 'trans inclusive' policy & its impact on Safeguarding policies intended to protect girls (under 18 yrs) during overnight stays. Included specific clarifications from Guiding leader agnesbadenpowell :
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3212371-Where-are-all-the-trans-men-An-Answer?

I love a really out of date simile DuLANG, like saying "You look like Max Wall in those trousers". Or as I say often to DD "Brush your hair, you look like Billy Whizz".

Oh is Joss watching? Oh goody. Hi Joss 👋🏻

sawdust comes across as someone desperate to keep the rough sex defence

If you look at all the threads on this, there he is. He's an established poster on these issues. I think that conclusion is not an unreasonable one, for whatever reasons he may have.

Yeah, have run into him before.

I love a really out of date simile DuLANG, like saying "You look like Max Wall in those trousers". Or as I say often to DD "Brush your hair, you look like Billy Whizz’

Max Wall trousers are inexplicably popular in present day!

sawdust sounds like a Jane Fae sort - explaining away extreme domestic violence as nothing more than unintended mishaps,, more to do with ‘eggshell skulls’ than violent males.

"You look like Max Wall in those trousers",

I hadn't heard that in years until literally the other day when I read about the Rev Rachel Mann's early days of transitioning.
The trauma of dressing as a woman and then daring to venture outside and not wanting to be seen as Max Wall in those leggings.

Can't find the actual quote but here is her blog, it's in there somewhere.

www.rachelmann.co.uk/pp007.shtml