In court tomorrow

[BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted]

Hayden versus Associated Newspapers.

The Judge? Go on guess. Mr Justice Julian Knowles.

Remember him? I couldn’t be happier.

This is according to contacts at the NZ fruit farm

There is a conversation about agreeing with people you usually disagree with and avoiding purity spirals on the Douglas Murray thread, Sawdust.

Thanks, I'll check it out - sounds interesting.

sawdustformypony you may be unaware of the role many women who post on Mumsnet have played/play supporting the 'We Can't Consent To This' campaign & beyond.
I doubt anyone has forgotten Natalie Connolly or the comments made by Justice Julian Knowles in his summing up.

No, I'm well aware of the Judge's sentencing remarks ( not a summing up btw). I've read them and posted about them and the non-existent 'defence' quite often.

Is the court case still running today?

Don’t think so Moonah - we should hopefully hear if the claim will be going to full trial within a week or so.

I’ve been wondering how I might keep a straight face as Swhittle waxes lyrical.

About how the one and only issue re little girls being raped on overnight camps that have been made mixed sex against all safeguarding practice and without those little girls' parents being allowed to have the knowledge to protect them - is for staff to carry condoms and morning after pills

Because the only negative outcome from a teenaged boy raping a little girl is a possible pregnancy. The rest …. (like the shattering of that little girl's life) Whittle has no fucks to give.

Whittle sees females as subhuman props in male lives. Whittle's own baggage is writ very, very large in this. Whittle is massively personally responsible for much of this shit females are trying to fight out from under, and there should be accountability for this. Not to mention a govt intelligent enough to recognise when someone's personal agenda is leaving the foothills of sanity.

Fairly sure too that Swittle would see pointing out issues with making males happy by letting them sleep with little girls if they want to as 'angry'.

But I'd rather chew my own arm off anyway than listen to this kind of utter bullshit spouted in a pompous, paternalistic way that reminds me of Thatcherite cabinet ministers during the miners crisis.

Michelle great post, could not agree more

Because the only negative outcome from a teenaged boy raping a little girl is a possible pregnancy. The rest …. (like the shattering of that little girl's life) Whittle has no fucks to give.

Yeah, Whittle is a nasty, nasty person who clearly does not care about children at all, and is particularly keen to harm girls.

I remember well that thread. Whittle was keen to distract us all from our very well reasoned objections to W's position by telling us we should all be more concerned about the use of helmets on motorbikes in India, IIRC.

I.e. because some children may be harmed by lack of helmets somewhere else in the world we should disregard our concern about safeguarding, safety, privacy and dignity of girls in the UK.

How Whittle is seen as an expert when they so clearly have an unpleasant anti-safeguarding agenda is beyond me.

Oh yeah. The female born TRAs have been key to this madness getting so far, both as major players and as tokenistic wedge court cases.

Be lovely to see you in Manchester on the 27th, Michelle. I imagine you might have a number of questions you’d like Whittle to answer to!

Yes and also Whittle not only has a clearly political anti-safeguarding agenda they are also very clearly very emotionally attached to this because of their own personal history in a way which can only cloud their judgement.

04DuLANGMondeFOREVER I wonder if they protect from Covid19

I like your thinking Janie.

Protection from Coronavirus AND Swhittle’s pompous gasbagging.

All we need now is some sturdy pyjamas to protect us from the bepenised Girl Guide leaders Swhittle has equipped with copious stocks of morning-after-pills.

Like I said pages and pages ago, The Beaumont Society background is obvious.

I wonder if Swhittle is providing legal advice to Stephanie?

If we went wearing those, would we have to put on deep voices to pretend we were men underneath?

About how the one and only issue re little girls being raped on overnight camps that have been made mixed sex against all safeguarding practice and without those little girls' parents being allowed to have the knowledge to protect them - is for staff to carry condoms and morning after pills

April 2018 thread by Stephen Whittle (identified self within the thread)
'Where are all the trans men? An Answer.

Someone asked: I have also wondered where the trans men are in all this!

So decided to do a little of record ethnographic research and talked to a few of my 'trans men' mates about this, over my orange and soda, and their beer or two. I asked whether they would consider to contributing to an online debate., like the one on Mumsnet.
All said they really limit their online stuff to what is absolutely necessary for family and friend's purposes i.e. a bit of facebook and that's that. Though many said they used Whatsapp to talk with family quite a lot.
It seems some go onto computers when at work, but most don't even do that - they are very hands on people; a doctor, a ceo, a dentist, a teacher, a manager of a day centre, a physio, a occupational therapist, a firemen, a stable owner, a policeman.
They only go online when real life obliges them to do so - such as talking to their mum.
They said they go on to buy absolutely essential items; a sprogget needed to fix a toilet flush, bracket to fix the kid's bunk beds, or when told to change the milk order cos their partner was going to bed.
Two said they went online to get a new book on their kindle, or to find a film for their partner, their kids, their mother etc.
Most said they don't want the hassle of participating in online talking. As another put it: "by the time the evening has arrived, I have run out of words. I simply cannot carry on talking, and typing means saying the words in my head". (I understand that feeling) .
Another said "going on the computer is just too much when all I want to do is stop, eat, wash and go to sleep."
Another said "ask me to come round, and choose between 1. digging your garden, 2. print and pack 2000 newsletters, or 3. type words, I'll chose them in exactly that order: 1, 2 then 3".
And another said; "as a journalist I am online a lot - watching, but I limit my participation to when I have something worthwhile and different to say. That's not often".
It seems, therefore, from my small selection of consulted trans men, that most trans men limit computer use to work. And we just don't want to do it after that.
I understand because that is how I feel, and have no urge to change that.
There will be some who participate online (as I do to a limited extent), but if people don't want to, they don't have to - and they are probably mentally healthier for not doing so.
Has anyone counted up men's and women's use of talking chambers on the internet? I wonder what hormones have to do with it.."
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3212371-Where-are-all-the-trans-men-An-Answer

Crikey. I just found a list of the ‘corrections’ Stephen Whittle wanted applying to the draft Equality Bill in 2003.

I hope Frankenstein’s gendermonster does tear Swhittle’s house down.

C.29 It is clear that IN EU, EC, and UK law that from the day a trans person commences permanently working in their preferred gender role, in employment law they are regarded as a person of the natal sex normally associated with that gender role. There is no capability to make a provision in any of these jurisdictions that allow discrimination in employment law because a person is transsexual. They are no longer transsexual but simply men and women.

C.30 Whilst jobs which are to be associated with only men or women, on the basis of a 'proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim' may exclude a trans person, the reason could only be because they are (in the case of a job for woman) the man or (in the case of a job for a man) the woman they live and work as.

‘Fuck you bitches, it doesn’t matter if this nurse was a man just yesterday, ze’s just as much of a woman as you are today and ze’s doing your smear test whether you like it or not’

publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200809/cmpublic/equality/memos/ucm1102.htm#_Toc230673134

If we went wearing those, would we have to put on deep voices to pretend we were men underneath?

‘Are there any WOMEN here today’?

If Swhittle had his way, even denying a part-time cross dressing man access to women’s services would be need to be proved under the ‘proportionate means to a legitimate aim’ rule 😲

693. Paragraph 25 contains an exception to the general prohibition of gender reassignment discrimination in relation to the provision of separate- and single-sex services for those people not yet living permanently in their preferred gender role. Such treatment by a provider has to be objectively justified.

I once came second in a drag queen beauty pageant (dressed as a man, dressed as a woman) so I’m off to demand membership of the Freemasons now. Thanks Swittle!

They are no longer transsexual but simply men and women.

Maybe the bearded male TS nurse who attempted to carry out an unchaperoned smear test on a woman who had requested a female HCP had followed Whittle's assertions in part?
The NHS disagreed with Whittle & the male nurse in 2017. It seems it could be a different response now.

December 2017 iNews
'NHS trust apologises to woman after 'nurse with stubble and deep voice' tried to take smear test'
(extract)
"The NHS has apologised to a woman who was left "embarrassed and distressed" after a nurse with stubble and a deep voice was going to carry out her cervical smear test at hospital.

The woman requested a female NHS nurse to perform the intimate procedure but was dismayed when a staff member with "an obviously male appearance" greeted her.

When the patient pointed out the mistake, the nurse replied: “My gender is not male. I’m a transsexual.”

The woman declined to go ahead with the examination - given to women aged 25 to 49 every three years and every five years for women aged 50 to 64 - and complained about her treatment. She stressed her complaint was not about the nurse’s appearance or gender status.

It is understood the nurse self-identified as a woman but had not been employed on that basis. He saw the patient only because of a clerical error.

"[It was] weird where somebody says to you: ‘My gender is not male’ and you think: ‘Well, what does that even mean? You are clearly a man', the woman told the Sunday Times. "[The nurse] had an obviously male appearance . . . close-cropped hair, a male facial appearance and voice, large number of tattoos and facial stubble."

The patient said it was “bad enough for a fortysomething mother”, but the effect of such an incident on her 17-year-old daughter would have been much worse." (continues)

inews.co.uk/news/health/nhs-woman-transgender-nurse-smear-test-515660

Oh I got a dressing down by Sarah Philimore for mentioning Knowles sentencing remarks concerning the horrific murder of Natalie...she got her own back on me the day after my sentencing, which was nice.

I was arrested for Mal coms and Harassment, but charged under section 127 (2) for persistant use of twitter to annoy (16 tweets over 7 months, 8 in one conversation thread)

I was questioned about misgendering, along with telling the victim that I would report them to the police as I felt harassed.

I was then recalled for interview because I was Mandi McGirldick

persistant use of twitter to annoy (16 tweets over 7 months, 8 in one conversation thread)

Every day I have the same people (all incidentally official witnesses) go on Twitter completely unprovoked to tell the world I am a pedophile, a pedophile apologist, an alcoholic, violent, I make sexual remarks about children, I faked a miscarriage, I’m a fantasist, my husband hates me and wants a divorce, my husband is violent, my husband is gay, my husband is trans, I am faking my daughter’s autism, I am abusive, nasty, unstable, mentally ill, my bedroom KF untidy , my clothes are terrible, my hair is terrible, I am old, wrinkled, prune-like shrivelled with hatred, compared to a serial killer, dangerous, likely to be arrested soon and assault police officers, going to prison, all-round evil, every single poster on Kiwi Farms and run a legion of sock-puppets.

And that’s before the pizzas, fake police reports, doxing, fake naked photo sharing etc.

How is that not designed to annoy? I’m pretty much at breaking point and yet, according to the High Court, I might be the harasser because misgendering.

It stinks.

The sentencing guidelines around which Knowles was able base much of his sentencing remarks are in need of revision by the government.

I read the transcript and was disturbed.

The sentencing guidelines around which Knowles was able base much of his sentencing remarks are in need of revision by the government.

I read the transcript and was disturbed.

This ^^

There is much to do in order to better protect women & girls.

Caro sorry you're having to deal with so much crap.

This ^^

There is much to do in order to better protect women & girls

Really - Sentencing guidelines on manslaughter by gross negligence ? I would have thought such a conviction by an intimate partner is highly unusual.

Sentences are all on the website. Easy to look up.

Yes, less than four years is shit. It’s sadly not the first time though.

At least it wasn’t ‘no charges brought’.

wecantconsenttothis.uk/

Webchat today with Karen Ingala-Smith, discussing many aspects of male violence against women (including fatal).

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_live_events/3838243-Webchat-with-Femicide-Census-co-founder-Karen-Ingala-Smith-Wednesday-March-4-at-1pm

Just 3 years 8 months, and despite the calls of "he had strict sentencing guidelines to adhere to" it still makes me sick that Natalie and her family didn't get bloody justice.