In court tomorrow

[BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted]

Hayden versus Associated Newspapers.

The Judge? Go on guess. Mr Justice Julian Knowles.

Remember him? I couldn’t be happier.

This is according to contacts at the NZ fruit farm

This photo caption made me howl so loud it frightened the dog.

Real women, women with their own hopes, dreams, wants and needs, so terribly, terribly disappointing.

I feel we should have a candid photo of Robert too, so we can judge whether his dates would feel equally short-changed.

January 2014 Independent by Ellen E Jones:

'Secrets of the Living Dolls, Channel 4: TV review
A troubling documentaty- not about the masking itself- but about society's obsession with physical perfection and sexual availability'
(extract)
Rubber doll masking is a subculture in which adult men transform themselves into life-size female dolls by wearing latex body suits, complete with face masks and realistic female genitalia.

In the documentary Secrets of the Living Dolls on Channel 4 (who else?) semi-retired 70-year-old Robert uses the privacy afforded by his California mansion to transform himself into a bouncy blonde called "Sherry".

Closer to home, Joel from Essex likes computer games, medieval re-enactments and masking, which his live-in girlfriend views as just another such geeky pursuit.

Joel said he wouldn't leave the house in the mask, but his admirably blasé friend "Tiff" is much braver. She thinks nothing of getting all dolled up, as it were, and nipping out for a coffee: "I look at this as an extension of amateur dramatics, but maybe I'm just being pretentious."

Therein lies the inherent contradiction of a film like Secrets of the Living Dolls. If, as the film's participants suggested, masking is no big deal and just a hobby like any other, then why make a film about it? And if it's more complicated, then why not take the time to dig deeper and discover what makes it so? (continues)

concludes:
"These aren't men who identify as transgender. They are men (exclusively, it seems) who, just like the teenage boys in John Hughes's film Weird Science, are motivated by a dissatisfaction with the real-life women available to them. As father of six daughters, John said: "I decided to emulate a sexy female, to basically be what I couldn't have."

www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/reviews/secrets-of-the-living-dolls-channel-4-tv-review-9042439.html

www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/reviews/secrets-of-the-living-dolls-channel-4-tv-review-9042439.html

I feel like if someone with a preference for masks like that didn't find you disappointing you should be worried, and possibly radically reconsider your makeup and skincare regime.

Good to see the learned Judge is enjoying a rapprochement here after being the trial and sentencing judge in R v Broadhurst.

There is a conversation about agreeing with people you usually disagree with and avoiding purity spirals on the Douglas Murray thread, Sawdust.

I feel we should have a candid photo of Robert too, so we can judge whether his dates would feel equally short-changed.

Short clip from the Ch 4 documentary featuring Robert though he is mostly in latex suits, masks & bikinis:

www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1206654796135871

As father of six daughters, John said: "I decided to emulate a sexy female, to basically be what I couldn't have."

Yet he's found one or more women sexy enough to reproduce with six times.

I mean, to be fair, if the above is what he wanted then it's true that he couldn't have it via any actual female human being. The interesting/grim bit is how a man comes to want that in the first place.

Anyway, to bring this back on topic, Hayden’s claim against The Mail asserts that a journalist accused Hayden of inventing a transgender identity for fraudulent purposes. Whether the journalist has proof of this or not, I do not know, but the supposed 7 name changes certainly add circumstantial weight to those allegations.

Leaving that aside and talking in purely general terms:

There are of course, multiple reasons for a male human to want to wear a female mask, both figuratively and literally.

AGP is not limited to heterosexual men, although AGPs are in the vast majority, heterosexual.
Of course, the majority of men are heterosexual so 🤷‍♀️

It’s entirely possible that AGP and the convenience of a new, legal identity could manifest in a single person.

And in these internet days it’s entirely possible that a person’s transition could consist of little more than admin and the mask of novelty photo filters.

There are definitely men living out their AGP fantasies in purely digital ways, ‘catfishing’ with gender swap snapchat filters on adult sites and the like. It’s a fascinating phenomenon.

It says a lot about how these men see women that they think that wearing these masks makes them look sexy instead of placing them right in the uncanny valley.

Good to see the learned Judge is enjoying a rapprochement here after being the trial and sentencing judge in R v Broadhurst.

sawdustformypony you may be unaware of the role many women who post on Mumsnet have played/play supporting the 'We Can't Consent To This' campaign & beyond.
I doubt anyone has forgotten Natalie Connolly or the comments made by Justice Julian Knowles in his summing up.

for context:
November 2019 Independent:
'Millionaire who claimed his girlfriend died accidentally after ‘rough sex’ loses appeal against prison sentence
Campaigners warn that ‘rough sex defence’ is becoming more common in UK'

(extract)
"A millionaire property tycoon who left his injured and bleeding partner to die after claiming she had been injured during “rough sex” has lost an appeal to have his prison sentence cut.

John Broadhurst had been jailed for three years and eight months for killing his partner Natalie Connolly, a 26-year-old mother.

The case sparked the creation of the We Can’t Consent To This campaign group, which has counted that 59 women so far have been killed by men who claimed a sex game had gone wrong in the UK.

Founder Fiona Mackenzie said the so-called rough sex defence was being used more frequently in both murder and assault cases.

Ms Mackenzie said she started the research after being “shocked” by the sentence handed to Broadhurst.

“When women die, the man gets to tell the story,” she told The Independent.

“There is no question that violence during sex has been completely normalised, and there has been a huge uptick in the defence being used.”

Ms Mackenzie said anecdotal research suggested that behaviours including slapping, choking and punching were becoming more common during sex, in a trend driven by pornography and social media.

She said it would have been “an absolute travesty of justice” for Broadhurst’s sentence to be reduced." (continues)

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rough-sex-murder-john-broadhurst-natalie-connolly-death-defence-appeal-latest-a9203421.html

website:
wecantconsenttothis.uk/

threads
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3456679--TRIGGER-WARNING-Powerful-message-from-a-midwife-re-the-murder-of-Natalie-Connolly-TRIGGER-WARNING

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/petitions_noticeboard/3459382-Women-cant-consent-to-death-Natalie-Connolly-is-not-alone

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3743670-John-Broadhurst-killer-of-Natalie-Connolly-fails-to-reduce-his-short-sentence-further

We Can’t Consent to This was mentioned on CNN the other day. Proud Mumsnetter moment!

"I decided to emulate a sexy female, to basically be what I couldn't have."

And there we have it. On every crappy level.

Here’s the link to the CNN story.

Amazing to see a Mumsnet FWR project name checked on American cable news:

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/02/21/world/grace-millane-sex-game-gone-wrong-intl-gbr/index.html

I was going to apologise for the detail but the objectification and dehumanisation of women by men is a common theme between both AGPs and the men who use the ‘rough sex’ defence, so I won’t.

Anyone can be a lawyer.

Anyone can be a criminal too.

I don't know if there's a transcript or recording of Sheila Jeffries speech at the House of Commons.

It was misquoted & misrepresented by large numbers of people/press. Inspired (I think) by a Pink News 'reporter' who was present.

Sheila Jeffreys @ the We Need To Talk / Inconvenient Women event (6/13/18)

The invention of gender dysphoria - Sheila Jeffreys hosted by We Need To Talk (13/11/2018)

Sheila Jeffreys What Is Gender? (19/10/17)

Thinking Differently - 01 Opening & Sheila Jeffreys (13/09/2016)

Hayden’s claim against The Mail asserts that a journalist accused Hayden of inventing a transgender identity for fraudulent purposes.

Could the fraudulent purposes be obtaining a GRC without going through the correct channels?

So say not getting a proper diagnosis of gender dysphoria, but obtaining a GRC nonetheless.

Also it might come down to the difference between 'diagnosis of gender dysphoria' and 'transgender identify'. Since there is absolutely nothing required for the latter, I'm not sure how it can be 'fraudulent'.

Also it might come down to the difference between 'diagnosis of gender dysphoria' and 'transgender identify'. Since there is absolutely nothing required for the latter, I'm not sure how it can be 'fraudulent'.

There seems to be a parallel here with previous discussions upthread about being a 'lawyer'.

Could the fraudulent purposes be obtaining a GRC without going through the correct channels?

The allege that too, but from the way it’s phrased on H’s claim, it seems like two separate accusations?

Accusation 1 (my interpretation) you are a fraudster, using a false identity to cover your tracks
Accusation 2 (my interpretation) you made a statutory declaration using that false identity to obtain a fraudulent GRC.

Disclaimer: these are allegations. I am interpreting Hayden’s description of allegations made by a third party. Thus my interpretations are a bit like the old parlour game referred to as ‘Chinese whispers’.

I don’t think there are specific allegations of SH not having obtained the gender dysphoria diagnosis paperwork, but to put that in perspective, Dr Lorimer of Gendercare charges around £300 for a diagnosis appointment and evidentiary paperwork and most diagnoses are given after a single appointment (source: Transgender UK Reddit).

Hayden's claim is that the Mail published an article with a headline saying Scottow was arrested for calling Hayden a man while Scottow had in fact been arrested for malicious communications and harassment (this is the defamation claim) and that such a mistatement of the facts led to Hayden getting a load of grief on the Internet (this is a claim that Hayden suffered serious harm). There's also a harassment claim but the defamation ground is the substance of the action.

harassment, malicious communications?

Pot meet kettle

Yes, I should clarify, that one journalist is being accused of the above, and another is being accused of phoning Hayden and accusing Hayden of serial fraud,

The claim paperwork is quite repetitive so you have to stick with it to get to the fraud bit.

Worth noting at the point where the Mail and Mail on Sunday articles relevant to this claim were published (September 2019), neither Kate nor her legal team knew the exact content of the tweets deemed to be ‘malicious communications’. Similar story to Harry the Owl, in that it took ages for the police to provide specifics.

Back to Hayden, the harassment by snarky article approach has been tried before, and failed: Trimingham v Associated Newspapers (Part of the whole Chris Huhne affair- his partner Carina Trimmingham sued the Daily Mail).