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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

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BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 02/03/2020 17:06

Hayden versus Associated Newspapers.

The Judge? Go on guess. Mr Justice Julian Knowles.

Remember him? I couldn’t be happier.

This is according to contacts at the NZ fruit farm

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R0wantrees · 04/03/2020 10:25

Cuntysnark Its seems it should be ok to be a 'bolshie bastard' & 'feisty', even to 'fight back against injustice'. After all wouldn't it be rather sexist of Whittle if women were not allowed to do as Whittle has done?

2007 Guardian, Higher Education Profile.

'Stephen Whittle: Body of work
The law lecturer tells Chris Arnot how being a transsexual has put him at the forefront of a political movement'
(extract)
"Stephen Whittle knew from an early age that he wanted to teach. He also knew that he wanted to be a man. There was one rather fundamental problem, however. He had been born female. "I imagined myself becoming one of those spinsterish teachers I'd read about in Bunty, in tweed skirts and twin sets," he grins, discreetly dabbing cappuccino froth from his slightly greying beard.

We are in a bar in his home city, just over the road from Manchester Metropolitan University where he is now Stephen Whittle OBE, professor of equalities law. The woman he once was has gone forever. "When I look in the mirror," he says, "I can't conceive of my old self. In fact, I can't bring myself to mention her name - even to my kids, and they're dying to know." (continues)

"At one time, we transsexuals were what other people wiped off the bottom of their shoes," he says. This is a man who knows what it's like to lose jobs on the basis of what he is rather than what he could do, a former self-employed builder who took a part-time law degree to further his business interests and then discovered that he could use the law to "fight back", as he puts it, against the injustices he feels have dogged him for most of his life. This is a husband and father who went as far as the European Court of Human Rights so that his long-term partner could be impregnated through artificial insemination and his name could be on their children's birth certificate.

"I'm just a bolshie bastard with an overwhelming desire for equality" and justice," he says" (continues)

It seems unlikely that his father would have been as generous, had he still been alive. He was a representative of the old Britain, the old Manchester. "He was very much of the view that girls were girls and women were women," says Whittle. "I remember being on a holiday when I was about 13 and he hit my mother because she came out of the caravan wearing slacks and refused to change back into a dress."

By that time, the family were beginning to prosper, moving to middle-class Withington from the council estate of Wythenshawe. Whittle Sr, having fallen into a vat of dye at a chemical depot, was offered the choice of compensation or a desk job. He took the desk job and, despite being barely literate, discovered a hidden talent for technical drawing. Eventually he became manager of the plant, while his wife became a medical secretary at the Christie hospital. The middle of five children, Whittle envied his brothers but inherited his parents' drive to get on. In later life, that drive was fed by the generous doses of testosterone he persuaded his GP to prescribe. "I became quite feisty," he admits." (continues)

As an aside its interesting to note his connections with Wythenshawe and The Christie. These are notable with regards where fellow law graduate Tara Hewitt has had influence. UHCM being in Wythenshawe Manchester
There are quite a few links between the two trans-activists
I wonder if Professor Whittle has been a mentor to Tara Hewitt?

www.theguardian.com/society/2007/apr/17/socialcare.highereducationprofile

DuLANGMondeFOREVER · 04/03/2020 10:27

I’m not particularly angry, I’m a bit of a Polly Anna really. The problem is I have one of those rubbery faces that shows every emotion and passing thought with alarming honesty. I would be shit at poker.

In all seriousness, I would genuinely like to hear Swittle and Thewitt’s opinions on Keira Bell’s upcoming judicial review. IIRC Swittle was once against paediatric transition, or at least claimed to be. I’m fascinated to know if that position has changed due to the increasing extremes of gender ideology or if Swittle realises that it’s Susie Green’s gang who are going to cause the whole house of gender cards to topple - Susie’s publicity machine and manipulation of the Tavistock are manufacturing more Keira Bells. I suspect Swittle sees gender ideology in the UK as a kind of Frankenstein’s Monster. Swittle built it, and now it’s coming to tear Swittle’s house down.

I’m also curious about the left/right Labour/Tory Swittle/Thewitt thing. We know Swittle has said the Labour Party is in their pocket...

I think we should make a FWR night of it, after all, no matter angry we might be inside, we aren’t going to be banging on the windows or shouting abuse outside the door. By their standards, we are positively genteel.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 04/03/2020 10:32

I suspect Swittle sees gender ideology in the UK as a kind of Frankenstein’s Monster. Swittle built it, and now it’s coming to tear Swittle’s house down.

Couldn't happen to a more well deserving person, honestly.

DuLANGMondeFOREVER · 04/03/2020 10:38

I don’t think Swittle will dare admit that of course, Swittle will still be hoping that Swittle’s ‘elder’ status will protect Swittle from the monster.

R0wantrees · 04/03/2020 10:45

As an aside, Im listening to R4 Woman's Hour. Jenni Murray is interviewing Tara Fitzgerald who is playing Livia in Thomas Middleton's, 'Women Beware Women'

from a (brutal) review by Sam Marlowe in The Times:

(extract)
"Fitzgerald — extravagantly husky, as if she’s just smoked an entire pack of Virginia Slims — is a toxic queen bee in a Chanel suit or gold leather, who has mastered the rules of a man’s world and schemes her way towards money and position by manipulating younger women. Under her avaricious eye, a young bride, Bianca (Thalissa Teixeira), is raped and silenced; Livia’s own niece, Isabella (Olivia Vinall) is duped into an incestuous affair with her uncle. "

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/women-beware-women-review-less-bloody-tragedy-more-bloody-mess-x0tr0f0zp

Sexnotgender · 04/03/2020 10:46

The problem is I have one of those rubbery faces that shows every emotion and passing thought with alarming honesty.

I’m the same. In fact a colleague used to tell me (on my request) if my face was showing what a fucking idiot I thought someone was being in a meeting...
Subtly obviously!

WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles · 04/03/2020 10:54

"All who come with an open heart and an inquiring mind will be welcomed"

Oh fuck OFF.

Ooops. Angry. Tut tut. Maybe I should sit docilely at the back and tend my knitting. Something like this maybe (alright it's sewing not knitting but knitting sounds better)

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DuLANGMondeFOREVER · 04/03/2020 10:55

Haha! Yes. I am also the kind of human that needs a kick under the table to remind me to neutralise my face (because it’s started going 😳😩😬 And everyone else is 😶)

Lordfrontpaw · 04/03/2020 11:00

"All who come with an open heart and an inquiring mind will be welcomed" - but a closed mouth perhaps?

I got lines once at primary school for rolling my eyes at something the teacher said.

That was when I first learned that I have absolutely no control over my eyeballs as I kept doing it as she told me off and the punishment got worse and worse.

Later on, I tried puffing my cheeks and pretending to think/listen really hard, but DH pointed out that this was worse as there was a puffing sound as if I was going to blow up.

Apparently I growl now. A colleague pointed it out recently after I spent an hour on a tech support call (a problem that had been going on since last June) to someone who was really unhelpful.

DuLANGMondeFOREVER · 04/03/2020 11:04

Hmm. This is a more common problem than I anticipated. We may need to place a bulk order:

www.amazon.com/female-latex-mask/s?k=female+latex+mask&tag=mumsnetforu03-21

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R0wantrees · 04/03/2020 11:15

DuLANG Are there the equivilent 'men' masks or is it a sex specific product?

TinselAngel · 04/03/2020 11:16

I think the third one down is the late, lamented Pete Burns, Goddess rest his soul.

Lordfrontpaw · 04/03/2020 11:21

@DuLANGMondeFOREVER oh come on! That was completely unnecessary to show those scary things without some kind of warning.

Who would want anyone within 50 feet of them in any of those get-ups (and how did you happen to come across them...)?

TinselAngel · 04/03/2020 11:22

I suspect they might not just be aimed at "Halloween" use.

Lordfrontpaw · 04/03/2020 11:24

Horror films maybe?

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 04/03/2020 11:28

If you think the masks are horrifying wait till you see someone in the full body version.

Lordfrontpaw · 04/03/2020 11:34

Not like Bubbles in Little Britain...

R0wantrees · 04/03/2020 11:41

If you are angry, or wish to spread hate or intolerance, then whoever you are, please enjoy an evening at home.

One of the keys to greater emotional intelligence is developing the capacity to recognise the wider number of nuanced emotions.
The principle being that in naming the specific emotions, they can be better understood & specific needs met.

This is especially important when supporting children who are not 'angry' but but have complex feelings due to grief/trauma that they havent yet been able to understand.

'Emotion Wheels' are a useful resource:
"Children dealing with loss and trauma are generally dealing with emotions they have never felt before. Alternatively, they are dealing with an intensity of emotions they have never felt before. Either way, they are ill-equipped to deal with those emotions. Your job is to find tools and methods to help them process through those emotions. A feelings wheel is a valuable tool.

The first step in helping any child deal with difficult emotions (regardless of the source of those emotions) will be to help them recognize and name the emotions they are feeling. Feelings wheels are a simple and effective tool to increase a child’s “emotion vocabulary,” and many options are available online. These tools are all useful for kids who have been through some sort of traumatic life event. They are also useful for giving any child a more robust emotional vocabulary. Teaching kids about emotions prior to trauma and pain is an important preventative measure in dealing with the hurts they will experience as they move through childhood and into adulthood. Much of what we learn about emotions is based on our own life experiences. Kids do not have those experiences, as a general rule, in order to be able to understand the emotions they are feeling." (continues)

hope4hurtingkids.com/emotions/understanding-emotions/feelings-wheel-name-understand-emotions/

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DuLANGMondeFOREVER · 04/03/2020 11:42

These are the budget option. The high end ones are most definitely not aimed at those who will wear them just one night a year.

TinselAngel · 04/03/2020 11:42

There was a Channel 4 documentary about men who wear the full body version for recreation, a few years ago.

R0wantrees · 04/03/2020 11:44

If you think the masks are horrifying wait till you see someone in the full body version.

I accidentally watched that Channel 4 (?) documentary.
It can sadly never be forgotten.

DuLANGMondeFOREVER · 04/03/2020 11:46

Yes. I believe it’s closely related to FWR’s least favourite, but nonetheless common topic, AGP and generally referred to as ‘female masking’

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2565884/amp/The-men-masks-The-peculiar-world-female-masking.html

This particularly bizarre image is a video still. It’s the exact midpoint between utterly hilarious and totally horrifying.

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boatyardblues · 04/03/2020 11:51

I accidentally watched that Channel 4 (?) documentary.
It can sadly never be forgotten.

Me too. Me too. 😕

R0wantrees · 04/03/2020 11:52

Yes. I believe it’s closely related to FWR’s least favourite, but nonetheless common topic, AGP and generally referred to as ‘female masking’

This was one of the topics of Sheila Jeffrey's speech at the 2018 'We Need to Talk' House of Commons meeting hosted by David Davies MP (relocated there after Millwall FC caved to trans acativists' pressure)?

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