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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Brighton hammer thief spared jail because transgender

109 replies

WomanBornNotWorn · 27/02/2020 11:04

www.theargus.co.uk/news/18264144.brighton-hammer-thief-spared-prison-trangender/

Hammer thief sentenced to jail then judge immediately changed sentence purely because being transgender is more relevant than threatening a shopkeeper with a clawhammer.

It is time for third space within men's prisons where trans women can be securely and safely held to serve their sentences, and away from vulnerable women prisoners. It must be possible.

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ShootsFruitAndLeaves · 27/02/2020 17:31

How did you find that?

Linked from Layla (not Leila)'s FB.

ShootsFruitAndLeaves · 27/02/2020 17:37

Yeah I think Layla is in fact penis-less.

"Hi my names candice I'm 35 feminine fun friendly escort and I'm post op 100% woman I'm smooth slender very feminine character wise I'm fun bubbly and outgoing and most of all very discreet I have spacious studio flat if you wanna sit cillout and chat first to get to know me if it's your first time with a TG woman I cater to all. I will admit I'm still only an A cup bra size. I live in Brighton area call"

I think that these ads are the one place you get honesty about this stuff.

Men hiring a trans prostitute want to know. They will not be happy if they have paid for someone with tits & a dick and the prostitute doesn't have a dick. So I would be inclined to say that Layla is 100% deffo post-op.

As I understand it, a transgender case board is supposed to be convened within 14 days. assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/863610/transgender-pf.pdf

So in this case Layla should have been sent to male prison based on legal gender, a case board convened, and then transferred to women's prison on the basis of fairly conclusive evidence of 'living as a woman' within 14 days.

I don't know why instead they just let Layla go.

ShootsFruitAndLeaves · 27/02/2020 17:44

I would also note, en passant, that I'm assuming Layla is named for Anton LaVey, judging by Layla's FB, which is devoted to the occult.

I find it quite confusing when someone is variously named after a satanist, called 'Candice', 'Adam' and 'Marcus' to know what name is supposed to stick. Presumably one of these is a legal name.

ShootsFruitAndLeaves · 27/02/2020 17:45

I'm guessing this is the source of Leila

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leila_Waddell

Aesopfable · 27/02/2020 18:07

The only way Le Fey could prove her new gender would be an “undignified examination”, one which court staff were not prepared to do, Ms Upton said

Consider the sex of the court staff being required to do this! Angry

Lordfrontpaw · 27/02/2020 18:10

ShootsFruitAndLeaves - well that ad certainly contravenes the Trade Descriptions act

McPeaked · 27/02/2020 18:26

Reminded me of this - woman held up a shop with a knife and was sentenced to 3 years and 10 months.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/female-knife-raider-who-wrapped-10084379?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

SunsetBeetch · 27/02/2020 18:36

Have a strong suspicion Layla is going through their accounts and changing details, as their FB, which I posted above, now looks like this:

Brighton hammer thief spared jail because transgender
Childrenofthestones · 27/02/2020 18:51

I don't get this. Who is more vulnerable to attack than a paedophile rapist, yet they arent let off because they will be attacked. Allowances are made for this in their accomodation. Why isn't the same thing done here?

Lordfrontpaw · 27/02/2020 18:55

Hang on - i remember reading of a woman who got 10 months in jail.

She was an addict who aggressively offered a man (who had given her a handout) sex for money. She turned up at his front door then and chased him around his house trying to hoist herself into him. No weapons.

He was terrified of being raped and she was jailed for attempted rape (actual rape gets less these days).

TorkTorkBam · 27/02/2020 19:01

Violent sex worker alcoholic Le Fey was released to stay in a women's refuge instead of to going to male prison on grounds of safety and dignity. WTF.

Lordfrontpaw · 27/02/2020 19:03

I think someone further up mentioned the Mail had this story too. What a joke judge.

Clymene · 27/02/2020 19:08

I think the judge is well aware that the defendant is post-op. This statement points to it : "But there are circumstances where it can be regarded as disproportionate in a society that acknowledges diversity, but has a lack of resources otherwise to deal with it."

So a judge doesn't think a man* without a penis should be in a men's prison. But doesn't think they should be in a women's one either (I suppose we should be thankful for that - they've learned something post Karen White although I don't think this particular offender is sexually interested in women).

So the answer shouldn't be that they can evade incarceration altogether surely? There must be other vulnerable men in prison. There must be plenty who sell sex to other men.

*nb mods - this person is legally a man. They use male names when it suits. And 'woman without a penis' makes no sense because we don't have penises!

Lordfrontpaw · 27/02/2020 19:14

So it’s now officially Teflon staus? It’s like The Purge!

Avocadohips · 27/02/2020 19:16

"Psycho witch from hell"
"I hold humanity in contempt"
"Necromancer"
"a very substantial number of previous convictions” for more than 50 offences including three previous offences of having “a bladed article” in public."

She seems nice Hmm

BustedWench · 27/02/2020 19:25

Crowley and LaVey inspired prolific criminal with various names allowed to roam about Brighton free as you like.

They're not even trying nowadays

EverardDigby · 27/02/2020 19:28

I'm too scared to google "necromancer"....

Lordfrontpaw · 27/02/2020 19:36

It’s not that !

EverardDigby · 27/02/2020 19:40
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fascinated · 27/02/2020 19:53

Perhaps there are judges who purchase such services....?

BovaryX · 27/02/2020 21:42

This case is outrageous. This is a violent, recidivist criminal. 50 previous cases. It is being reported in the Daily Mail. Public confidence in the police is at an all time low. A violent recidivist hammer wielding criminal escapes prison because transgender? How is this justice? The judge's comments are a grim insight into the bankrupt ideology behind this bankrupt decision:

We live in a society which acknowledges and embraces diversity and allows and encourages people to live the life they want to. Sometimes society does not make the necessary or appropriate adjustments in all ways it can to reflect the adjustments of society as a whole.'

Thinkingabout1t · 27/02/2020 21:43

Of course this will be recorded as a female crime. That’s why we are constantly being told that female crime is increasing, especially violent crime.

BovaryX · 27/02/2020 21:49

From The Telegraph article:

Judge Mooney was appointed to be a Circuit Judge in April 2019. However in his short time in the post, he has already had one of his sentences reviewed and issued an apology following accusations he was too lenient

MimbleCat · 28/02/2020 09:17

This case has been referred to the attorney general. I will keep you all posted.