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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Brighton hammer thief spared jail because transgender

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WomanBornNotWorn · 27/02/2020 11:04

www.theargus.co.uk/news/18264144.brighton-hammer-thief-spared-prison-trangender/

Hammer thief sentenced to jail then judge immediately changed sentence purely because being transgender is more relevant than threatening a shopkeeper with a clawhammer.

It is time for third space within men's prisons where trans women can be securely and safely held to serve their sentences, and away from vulnerable women prisoners. It must be possible.

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niceclock · 27/02/2020 13:48

all prisoners strip and are made to cough while squatting over a mirror when they first enter prison, and every time they leave the jail, to check their orifices are not chock full of drugs and mobile phones. seriously. it's like, standard practise as far as I know...

fascinated · 27/02/2020 14:01

This is just a nonsense.

Even a male born prisoner who had a GRC could be kept out of a women‘s prison of the Single Sex exemption was invoked.

And as for the coy attitude of the judge... for pity’s sake! We are talking about being examined by trained officers for a specific limited purpose , following conviction for a violent crime. In a situation where the defendant has they themselves raised the issue of their sex as a defining characteristic AND the defendant has failed to resolve the issue through the far simpler alternative route of providing relevant paperwork. It’s hardly a disproportionate exercise of state power.

jadefinch · 27/02/2020 14:04

I'm so pleased that this never happens because it would be terrifying if this did ever happen

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Brighton hammer thief spared jail because transgender
Brighton hammer thief spared jail because transgender
fascinated · 27/02/2020 14:06

So it appears that the issue was more that the judge feared that if this person was to have been sent to a men’s jail (so yay, no women’s prison) they’d be unsafe. So instead of telling the prison to find ways to keep this prisoner safe, they just don’t bother with jail at all. Hmmm. A different, but still obviously highly unsatisfactory, problem.

No doubt feminists will be getting the blame for this... for resisting TW in female prison.

isthispuddinoramalang · 27/02/2020 14:07

Why couldn't he have been put on the vulnerable prisoners' wing of a male prison?

NumbersStation · 27/02/2020 14:10

Well let us just hope that this person doesn’t choose their next hammer victim to be a judge instead of a corner shop..

Let us see how fearful about harm they are then...Hmm

Annasgirl · 27/02/2020 14:15

Was this man identifying as male or female when he had the hammer and threatened the shop owner?

fascinated · 27/02/2020 14:15

Isthispuddin — that’s really the only answer to this, ultimately.

fascinated · 27/02/2020 14:16

Annas — maybe the cctv showed a pink hammer. So clearly a woman.

Clymene · 27/02/2020 14:26

So a person who demonstrates an escalating pattern of violent offences has escaped jail because they identify as transgender? Is that right?

Words fail me

fascinated · 27/02/2020 14:39

That’s not equal treatment. That’s special treatment.

GlomOfNit · 27/02/2020 14:45

According to the Daily Heil, Leila (or Layla, they can't seem to decide) has two entirely different male names they also go by (forgive me for deadnaming but hey, the Daily Fail did it) . So I suppose you also have to ask yourself, what sort of person has a whole string of aliases? And why might that person benefit from identifying as a woman and thus avoiding prison (but only as a transwoman. Fairly sure a woman would have been sent down)?

We just need a dedicated trans prison, really. Or unit within an existing prison. Goodness, there DO seem to be an awful lot of these trans offenders, don't there?

Herja · 27/02/2020 14:53

While I'm thinking about this, I have friends and family who have been to prison. A strip search on entry was standard for all of them (all for drugs or violence, I accept it may be different with different crimes, but this WAS a violent one).

What part of this 'undignified examination ' would be fucking more intrusive than that? None. Perhaps equal, but they'd have to do it anyway?
Should everyone who finds a strip search be exempt from one in prison? What about airport security? It's no less intrusive there...

The lack of critical thinking in this is just plain alarming. That someone can become a judge, but have this absolute failure in thought process is terrifying.

IfNot · 27/02/2020 15:02

Many types of men are vulnerable in prison. Feminine acting gay men, geeky teenagers, men with disabilities-the list is endless. Whether Leila kept Leila's dick or not, Leila seems more able than many men to handle Leilaself in prison.

Thelnebriati · 27/02/2020 15:08

Ask for a Crown Court sentence to be reviewed online
www.gov.uk/ask-crown-court-sentence-review

MrsTerryPratchett · 27/02/2020 15:13

Ms Upton also said prison regulations state she could not be kept in solitary confinement there.

Sorry but what has happened to being placed on Rule (43)? Child sex offenders, prisoners in debt to others, plenty of vulnerable offenders get placed on Rule, out of gen pop and are fine. How is Leila more vulnerable than a child sex offender in prison? FFS.

SunsetBeetch · 27/02/2020 17:20

Once again a quick Google could have helped enormously

Brighton hammer thief spared jail because transgender
RiotAndAlarum · 27/02/2020 17:21

Worrying to see a judge flout public opinion and fairness in this way. Judging by the Telegraph (not called the Torygraph for nothing), the government is gunning for the civil service and for judges:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/02/27/mps-have-shamefully-allowed-judges-green-activists-call-shots/
Was it too much to ask that ministers and MPs across the House prioritised the interests of the British people and the economy and listened less to the self-appointed, self-important, self-righteous climate protesters? Was it too much to ask that such decisions are decided at the ballot box rather than at street protests? Was it too much to ask that ministers make positive, decisive and swift action on a matter of national importance before allowing the judges to swoop in and usurp their role?

It turns out that the answer to all three questions was “yes”. And now we will all pay the price.

and even more starkly: www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/02/26/arrogant-overrated-civil-service-must-now-face-political-reckoning/

Will the Treasury still be allowed to “veto” new ideas, the Cabinet Office to block non Left-wingers from public appointments, the defence establishment to buy overpriced, overspecced and irrelevant kit, and a self-perpetuating Foreign Office oligarchy to instruct Downing Street what to think about Israel or China? And are we happy that it is judges, not politicians, to whom we entrust deciding whether Heathrow expansion should be given the go-ahead?

The institutitonal capture by TRA ideology - visible in civil society, the civil service, corporate life, charities and public services - shows that we need all the checks and balances in a society. Judges should exercise independence from the government, by all means, but Judge Mooney wasn't being "independent", he was being indulgent; and any pushback coming to him won't just affect him, but his more fair-minded colleagues, too Angry. Yes, this will affect all people who depend on the law to life in safety and peace, rather than having to fear a hammer-wielding maniac with an alcohol problem, who has been emboldened by getting away with a crime. I don't even wish that on Brighton.

ShootsFruitAndLeaves · 27/02/2020 17:21

Considering that his given address is a woman's shelter, it's hard to understand why he wasn't sent to a women's prison.

www.brightonandhovenews.org/2020/02/26/hammer-wielding-brighton-shoplifter-jailed-for-terrifying-assault/
www.brightonymca.co.uk/projects/leslie-best-house/

Lordfrontpaw · 27/02/2020 17:21

Well reading that it would be hard to know where to place them to be honest!

Langbannedforsafeguardingkids · 27/02/2020 17:26

So my question is: why wouldn't any criminal, about to be sent down, now not identify as trans? Because it's self ID - so really, what's the down side? There's only an advantage to said criminal.

There is going to be a HUGE increase in the number of 'trans' prisoners now.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/02/2020 17:26

Considering that his given address is a woman's shelter, it's hard to understand why he wasn't sent to a women's prison.

I think a couple of years ago he would have been. Plenty of males without a GRC were sent to female prisons after they changed the policy in 2016. The tide is turning. Although this is utterly rage making it's an improvement on that. Now we need an outcry at violent male thugs evading punishment.

Puuulllll!

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Lordfrontpaw · 27/02/2020 17:28

How did you find that?

ShootsFruitAndLeaves · 27/02/2020 17:30

Hmm that might be an old ad though.

This one says 'post op'

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