Doesn't self-ID only benefit non-genuine cases?

[UpfieldHatesWomen]

I'm trying to figure out if there are actually any benefits to self-ID at all for people with gender dysphoria. The arguments for self-ID are that it costs money, and it's 'humiliating' to have to present your case to a panel of experts. First of all, a GRC only costs £140. Doesn't seem like a staggering amount of money, if you follow the narrative that people will kill themselves in their masses without it. Are there other costs that I'm missing here? The NHS covers hormones and medical procedures in the UK. I also fail to see what's humiliating about a psychological/medical assessment, to see if you actually have gender dysphoria or whether you have a sissification/autogynephelia fetish. Unless, of course, you're never going to get a diagnosis of gender dysphoria, because you don't have it and simply get off on invading women's privacy/have a fetish etc. Self-ID benefits those who want to keep their penis - but if you have gender dysphoria, why would you want to keep your penis? TV propaganda such as the ITV series 'Butterfly' would have us believe that those with gender dysphoria hate their genitals so much they'll try to cut them off with pieces of broken glass. It seems like self-ID only benefits fetishists and misogynists, so why are politicians never challenged on how exactly self-ID is supposed to benefit transgender people, why are they so insistent on self-ID as the only possible route to trans rights? Are they just woefully ignorant about autogynephelia/transvestism/sissification etc? These fetishes are as old as the hills, why is everyone pretending they suddenly don't exist? Or for that matter, pretending that predatory men don't exist? Female politicians are subjected to the very worst kinds of misogyny on social media, so how can they be so incredibly naive about how misogynistic men and opportunists will use self-ID as a vendetta against women? It doesn't seem that self-ID actually help genuine cases, only those who would normally be refused a GRC because they have shown they're insincere/have other mental health problems/trolling etc.

You know lots of people who are trans do not physically transition at all and are okay with their bodies as they are. Not everyone feels compelled to have surgery or take hormones.

What some people do feel is that other people would be more accepting if they "fully transitioned" as they'd view it as a commitment to the gender they wish to identify by.

This could compel people like you to have surgery they regret.

@R0wantrees

So you can see why my patient feels the need to meet these stereotypes when actually he is more than happy in a tiara and a tutu with the girls. He just strongly feels his body should match the homosexual man he is to some degree. He isn't a child though.

Can someone explain to me exactly what ['living as a woman' actually means? Having met and interacted with several transwomen, I only see the use of female pronouns and dressing in female clothes. Is there something else?

It took 3years to get my dx of ms, lots and !it's of test - some of which I found distressing. I now have a heart condition too, and there's one test I have to undergo regular!y which I find utterly dehumanizing and humiljating, you'd think I'd be used to it when I have it twice a year but I'm not and it has me in tears every single time.

Further, there's another test they've done twice in 10 years which leaves me suicidal it's so humiliating.

When your body's not perfect you have to submit to many awful things. I'd far rather see a psychologist for a few years.

You know lots of people who are trans do not physically transition at all and are okay with their bodies as they are. Not everyone feels compelled to have surgery or take hormones.

What does 'being trans' mean for someone who doesn't want to modify their body?

That’s precisely why we don’t argue for genital surgery to be the dividing line for access to single sex services.

Preaching to the choir. We don’t think chopping a cock off or fashioning one from arm skin makes any difference. People cannot change sex.

commitment to the gender they wish to identify by.

Why would anyone want to 'identify by' a 'gender'? And how does one go about identifying by a gender? What does this mean?

He just strongly feels his body should match the homosexual man he is to some degree.

You're talking about someone who is female? This sounds like a delusion. Why would a woman think she was a homosexual man?

he just feels his body should match the man he is

Exactly, you are so close to understanding exactly what it feels like.

And then so dismissive of anyone who , having had direct experience, suggests that just perhaps the "wrong body" explanation might just be wrong

Having met and interacted with several transwomen, I only see the use of female pronouns and dressing in female clothes. Is there something else?

I don't think so. It's either a delusion or role play.

@OldCrone

For some, simple acknowledgement of similar feelings to the poster who fixes cars. For others, expression of their feelings about their gen de r identity through clothes or pronouns or both. It really depends.

Some trans people are happy to live with their preferred gender identification only acknowledged by those closest to them for a variety of reasons.

All of this is typically explored in counselling where it thoroughly explained that a) you don't have to have surgery to be happy, b) it might take a while anyway so not focusing on surgery as your major milestone is probably wise and c) it is okay if you start the process but don't finish it

Why , Crone?

A mixture of thing I suspect. Including a Hatred of your body, especially breasts. Sexual abuse. And
Inability to integrate into a social group including Being bullied for being odd.

When your oddness would be praised if you were Male, and your body would be normal* if you were Male I think it's very easy to think that something went wrong somewhere

*normal, ie Male default, not so changed, not the focus of attention

I'm not going to explain why my trans male patient is a trans man. That would be dumb. A trans man who is exclusively attracted to men is homosexual, obviously.

GEEpEe
There are a growing number of young women who are identifying as gay men.

Since to be a gay man is to be male & same sex oriented, one would think a GP would be keen to investigate this phenomena.

Ben (GNC Centric) describes how she identified as a gay man for a number of years.
I recommend you watch her as she is eloquent & extremely inciteful.

Medical professionals should also watch Ben's (GNC Centric) interview with Benjamin Boyce so they are aware of potential serious Safeguarding issues.

'Coercion & Abuse in the Gender ID Community'

Odd building sorry, hope that still makes sense

You do know you can live without gender identification at all...it's very liberating

My trans Male patient has lots of friends and an active social life without any major trauma. Nor would they be praised for their tendencies if they were born male. They'd likely be beaten up for being obviously homosexual.

Adolescent onset gender dysphoria that presents as Identifying as a gay man is one of the new gender dysphoria presentations that detransitioners are speaking about.

Here’s Ben, who used to believe she was a gay man but is now a reidentified (but still dysphoric) woman. Ben is very insightful.

I've had 1 NB patient.

I've seen that before.

What I find is that most of the stories don't line up with the people I've met in that their reckoning for why they might be trans wasnt as shaky and I can't help remembering how difficult it is and how long the process is and will remain for medication or surgery.

For others, expression of their feelings about their gen de r identity through clothes or pronouns or both. It really depends.

Some trans people are happy to live with their preferred gender identification only acknowledged by those closest to them for a variety of reasons.

What is the purpose of having a gender identity? People who have a gender identity often appear to be very distressed by it and/or feel that they need to change their bodies. Would it not be better just to not have a gender identity?

What I find is that most of the stories don't line up with the people I've met in that their reckoning for why they might be trans wasnt as shaky

Shaky?
Listening to people (of both sexes) explain their reasoning for seeking transition will of course sound very different from a position of having detransitioned & seeking to understand what was actually going on for them at the time. Most are also trying to understand how medical professionals affirmed them as being the opposite sex & come to terms with the impact of this.

There are a number of women who have 'detransitioned' who also have youtube videos of the period when they were confident that they were trans men.

GPs, as with all medical professionals, should be very cautious about their treatment of patients they diagnose with 'gender dysphoria'. The Safeguarding concerns of senior NHS staff at Tavistock GIDS were whistleblown over a year ago & made public.

GPs dont diagnose anyone with that. We don't have the expertise. We might say there is evidence of that but we don't make a definitive diagnosis.

Of course they don’t sound shaky, as you agreed several pages ago they are using a script!

Feminine/femme presenting trans men is very fashionable at the moment. I have no doubt their feelings are sincere, and sometimes very distressing.

But I don’t believe they are internally generated and immutable. Which is fine if they aren’t ‘treated’ with irreversible hormonal and surgical interventions.

The problem is, there is no diagnostic test.

If there were a brain scan or a blood test it would be a completely different story, but trans activists don’t want that possibility to be realised because it’s ‘gatekeeping’.

One of my daughters has a rare orphan disease, diagnosed via bone marrow biopsy and monitored through blood tests. The other started identifying as a boy while her little sister was living at the children’s hospital. No previous indicators before. Other parents have also reported gender dysphoria emerging in adolescents when a relative is seriously ill, but no professional wants to explore what this means due to that godawful ‘memorandum of understanding’.

The process is short for adults that can afford private treatment. Hormones AND genital surgery within 18 Months.