Doesn't self-ID only benefit non-genuine cases?

[UpfieldHatesWomen]

I'm trying to figure out if there are actually any benefits to self-ID at all for people with gender dysphoria. The arguments for self-ID are that it costs money, and it's 'humiliating' to have to present your case to a panel of experts. First of all, a GRC only costs £140. Doesn't seem like a staggering amount of money, if you follow the narrative that people will kill themselves in their masses without it. Are there other costs that I'm missing here? The NHS covers hormones and medical procedures in the UK. I also fail to see what's humiliating about a psychological/medical assessment, to see if you actually have gender dysphoria or whether you have a sissification/autogynephelia fetish. Unless, of course, you're never going to get a diagnosis of gender dysphoria, because you don't have it and simply get off on invading women's privacy/have a fetish etc. Self-ID benefits those who want to keep their penis - but if you have gender dysphoria, why would you want to keep your penis? TV propaganda such as the ITV series 'Butterfly' would have us believe that those with gender dysphoria hate their genitals so much they'll try to cut them off with pieces of broken glass. It seems like self-ID only benefits fetishists and misogynists, so why are politicians never challenged on how exactly self-ID is supposed to benefit transgender people, why are they so insistent on self-ID as the only possible route to trans rights? Are they just woefully ignorant about autogynephelia/transvestism/sissification etc? These fetishes are as old as the hills, why is everyone pretending they suddenly don't exist? Or for that matter, pretending that predatory men don't exist? Female politicians are subjected to the very worst kinds of misogyny on social media, so how can they be so incredibly naive about how misogynistic men and opportunists will use self-ID as a vendetta against women? It doesn't seem that self-ID actually help genuine cases, only those who would normally be refused a GRC because they have shown they're insincere/have other mental health problems/trolling etc.

So will be 6 hopefully.

Ok. Sorry to the regulars who may have seen this before. It's getting shorter each time I am sure!

As a child and teenager, I identified as Male. Called myself David. Spent my weekend fixing our car rather than shopping. Had some very negative suicidal thoughts.

Thanks to the support of my wonderful parents who kept insisting I was great as me and who explained that other people were often just narrow minded , and also as a result of being raped ( because a man doesn't care how you identify ) I grew up and realised that my body was what it was and I might just as well get on with living my life.

Today, I am a non conforming woman. I might still dream as if I am Male, a lot of my interests and strengths are sterotypical Male. I understand clearly the difference between sex and gender.

And I am immensely grateful that I grew up when I did, so that my body has been treated with the greatest respect, no unnecessary medication, no unnecessary surgery, because as I get older I really value my physical health

That support to get through the difficult years is now replaced with a narrative about being in the wrong body, being trans, being broken in some way. And it scares me. And I have seen a normal girl like me now being trans with all it's implications. Is he Happier? No evidence at all

None of the studies I have ever seen have looked at the long time life outcomes of women like me and compared them to the effect of transition on someone's mental and physical long term well being

Because I am only a (almost old ) woman and no one listens to us

So GP you asked if any of us were trans? Well I am according to much of the literature. In truth today I fit a none binary description better

So ask away , broaden your knowledge and understanding

How will you feel if one of those women changes their mind and decides they do want family? Lots of women only start to feel they want children in their mid 30s.
And why tubal ligation when there are some many long term contraception options out there which don’t result in permanent sterility at a young age??

Now who is relying on anecdotes?

I don’t think you actually care about the life long well being of gender-distressed people. I think you are a virtue signaller who has come here to feel superior over women you imagine to be a bunch of pear-clutching Karens.

Crikey. I consider my smallest child’s consultant to be better than Santa and all the super heroes rolled into one, so It’s beyond disappointing to see someone with the qualification of medical doctor be so dismissive of the life experiences of the vulnerable group they profess to support.

Well if your trans identity hinged on your mechanical abilities then I can see why people might say you aren't really trans.

That's like me saying I thought I was trans because I liked pink but lo and behold, I discovered I'm fine with being male and having typically male parts.

@Kilbranan

I'd feel fine as they made an informed choice. I would hope some sort of reversal works for them since they have changed their mind but I wouldn't feel guilty.

Long term contraception is a) only for women and other people with a uterus! and b) poses risks, especially long term. Some people feel the isolated risk of surgery and the potential complications are more desirable than a lifetime on the pill or implant or whatever.

I certainly won't be struggling with my medical license for adhering to equality and evidence based guidelines. The research overwhelmingly shows that trans people do better when their gender dysphoria is appropriately addressed as do the vast majority of anecdotes.

It really doesn't.
journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

Just for total transparency, one of the 6 have a medical issue which means pregnancy isn't recommended so they have more than "social" reasons.

That study is from 2003

Surely the people (otherwise known as women) you have referred for tubal ligation have a uterus? Risk of Mirena pretty minimal, equally copper coil v low risk.
And clearly there are benefits to something like mirena in terms of endometrial protection, can be used as part of HRT etc. As well as allowing full return of fertility if a woman does change her mind.
It’s very odd you have so many patients who have had tubal ligation in their 20s when it’s done so infrequently now due to better options being available

I am not surprised you would feel no guilt about women who regretted it though - I suppose the same would apply to detransitioners??

Oh fts how trite and dismissive can you be!

No I knew I was a boy.

My abilities and preferences supported that quite clearly

But I knew.

Go on enlighten us, how do you know someone is trans without relying on either their inner knowledgeor by stereotypes

And the recommendation says access transitioning plus increased psychological and social support so yeah.

I don't know how to tell when gender confirming surgery would be the best route for someone as it isn't my field.

As a child and teenager, I identified as Male. Called myself David. Spent my weekend fixing our car rather than shopping. Had some very negative suicidal thoughts.

GEEpEe did you really just skim over this & make a sarcastic jibe?

If you are, as you claim a GP, then there seems some training needs identified?

If not, then do please stop larping as one.

Strange way for a GP to talk.

Do you have any curiosity about the exponential increase in GNC girls presenting for treatment ? Any interest in understanding the other approach to patients with gender Dysphoria?

Not asking for definitive answers - I’m not sure any of us have those - but a sign of the intellectual curiosity one would normally expect in someone with medical training.

That study is from 2003
And longer, long term studies show the same.

@R0wantrees

Yes I'm.completlet dismissing the person who thought fixing cars made them a man called David. That's ridiculous.

@drspouse

Show me.

@Binterested

I'm no more concerned about it than I am the rise in autism diagnosis which coincides with the uptake of a certain vaccine. I trust that professionals have enough evidence to make good decisions.

I will say this with short words.

I know I was a boy but people said I was a girl

Mending cars did not make me a boy.

I felt that it showed I was a boy.

I felt that lots of other things also showed that I was a boy

It did not matter, people still said I was a girl

. In my subconscious I still see myself as Male.

How does mending cars show you are a boy?

How does anything a human female does, thinks or says show they are a boy?

I'm not sure because again, I'm not specialised in that area. What I do know is that it is far more complex than their natural flair and passion for mechanics.

I said " i felt it showed I was a boy"

I knew I was a boy. How do you, as a child aged say 10 , work through the problem that everyone says you are a girl?

You look at what boys do and how boys behave, you look at what girls do and how girls behave. You look at what you do and how you behave. You fail to understand why no one else sees it too.

What makes you think someone is male or female?

What makes you think that someone is trans?

Yes I'm.completlet dismissing the person who thought fixing cars made them a man called David. That's ridiculous.

Good to know GeePee, you're continuing to ignore that midegbabe described persistant 'negative suicidal thoughts'.

Are you unaware that the criteria for diagnosing 'gender dysphoria' in children includes

significant distress for some time

behaviours including:

insisting they're of the opposite sex

disliking or refusing to wear clothes that are typically worn by their sex and wanting to wear clothes typically worn by the opposite sex

disliking or refusing to take part in activities and games that are typically associated with their sex, and wanting to take part in activities and games typically associated with the opposite sex

preferring to play with children of the opposite biological sex

feeling extreme distress at the physical changes of puberty