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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Owen Jones's latest...

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RoyalCorgi · 16/02/2020 13:24

Owen Jones has retweeted someone saying that "transphobia" and "anti-semitism" are the same thing.

twitter.com/BillBaggins96/status/1228779783208816642?s=04

Owen Jones's latest...
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NeurotrashWarrior · 16/02/2020 13:25

How how how how how? Confused

rednsparkley · 16/02/2020 13:28

Owen Jones is a pitiful idiot with a massively over-inflated sense of his own importance. And he's a bit thick. What a catch he is 😂😂

NeurotrashWarrior · 16/02/2020 13:28

"powerful lobby" is surely used in many different contexts? The rest I don't understand and haven't seen.

Kids learn about the Maya at primary school who did blood sacrifices. As did the vikings.

LynnSchmob · 16/02/2020 13:29

Is he having a breakdown?

terryleather · 16/02/2020 13:33

"Blood sacrifice" ?!?!?

Everything is transphobic according to some.

Everything is a dog whistle according to some.

Just more tiresome attempts to try to silence those who don't subscribe to the genderist position.

Yawn.

And LOJ is a fud in a v-neck

GCAcademic · 16/02/2020 13:33

Owen is a bit hard of thinking. To be fair, it's what tends to happen when you have to contort your brain in support of ideological positions.

nauticant · 16/02/2020 13:34

This is part of the debate that Jones is joining in with:

twitter.com/GromeThea/status/1228739053811486720

FleecyMoo · 16/02/2020 13:39

Just when you think little OJ has run out of barrels to scrape someone finds him a new one, ha ha ha.

theflushedzebra · 16/02/2020 13:46

Is he having a breakdown?

I've seriously wondered this!

He seems to have sunk so deep into the mire, he can't see his way out.

Owen - extreme transgender ideology and homophobia are the same thing. Iran makes gay men transition, in order to become "straight women" - or they get throw off the top of buildings. Some homophobic parents take their gay teenagers to the Tavistock to transition them into straight teenagers, as reported by the Tavi whistleblowers.

Time to take your own blinkers off, Owen - because you're being deliberately blind to the damage extreme transactivism is doing to women, lesbians and gay young people.

RoyalCorgi · 16/02/2020 13:48

I have never heard anyone use the phrase "blood sacrifice" in the trans debate. Never.

Phrases like "powerful lobby" and "culutural Marxism" are used by lots of people to describe lots of different things.

And the tweet makes no sense. "Transphobia is frequently anti-semitism." Not is like anti-Semitism, but is anti-Semitism. How does that work, exactly?

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Floisme · 16/02/2020 13:51

Well they've abjectly failed to make the funded-by-the-far-right charge stick so this is probably the new line of attack. I expect we'll see it on here too.

xxyzz · 16/02/2020 13:53

I did see something about this on Jewish Twitter - there are indeed nutters on the far right who attack Jews as being behind everything they dislike on the far left, including trans rights. It's part of the same far right movement that shoots Jews in synagogues because they think we are plotting to fill the western world with Muslims (no, me neither). Confused And that believes all Jews are behind gay 'propaganda' to undermine western civilisation.

The irony that Owen Jones, that great friend of anti-Semites everywhere, is now pretending to give a shit about Jews when it's convenient for him, is overwhelming.

There is a moral there, that those on the far right who oppose trans rights are not automatically on our side as GC feminists, and we should be careful who we ally with. Ultimately, allying with people who query the overreach of trans rights but also hate Jews/black people/LGB people is not actually in our own interests and lays us open to being called out for the sins of others.

Floribundance · 16/02/2020 13:55

If transphobia was like anti semitism then Labour would be blind to it.

xxyzz · 16/02/2020 13:55

And I'm not suggesting that most GC feminists do ally with these people, obviously - just warning against siren voices that would suggest that we have anything in common.

xxyzz · 16/02/2020 13:56

Needless to say, the far right are not big on women's rights...

xxyzz · 16/02/2020 13:56

Floribundance

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xxyzz · 16/02/2020 13:59

As a Jewish GC feminist, I can only imagine that those who believe that standing up for women's rights = transphobia which in turn = anti-Semitism, must be particularly hard of thinking.

StrangeLookingParasite · 16/02/2020 14:00

It's part of the same far right movement that shoots Jews in synagogues because they think we are plotting to fill the western world with Muslims (no, me neither).

Eh? Good grief.

RuffleCrow · 16/02/2020 14:00

If swans hated women and wanted to agressively invade our spaces and demolish our boundaries, LOJ would be branding the whole world and his dog 'swanphobic' for questioning whether that was a good idea. It's the outcome he's interested in, not the 'worthy cause'.

DuLANGMondeFOREVER · 16/02/2020 14:03

Hey Owen! Tell that to the orthodox women who can no longer use their local women-only swimming pond, thanks to Edward Lord.

xxyzz · 16/02/2020 14:26

StrangeLookingParasite

It's the far right's white genocide conspiracy theory:

www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/27/pittsburgh-synagogue-shooting-antisemitism-conspiracy-theories

The synagogue shooter's "belief is in keeping with white supremacist “white genocide” narratives, which hold in part that Jews are orchestrating the “demographic replacement” of white people by means of immigration."

For more, horrifying and insane detail:

www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/why-the-tree-of-life-shooter-was-fixated-on-the-hebrew-immigrant-aid-society

marvellousnightforamooncup · 16/02/2020 14:26

I swear, Owen Jones is more of a liability than a help to the Left.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 16/02/2020 14:33

I suggest the word 'transphobia' is a dogwhistle for the left. Blow on it, and they lose all reason. It's quite breathtaking.

Lordfrontpaw · 16/02/2020 14:33

Parody account. It has to be.

xxyzz · 16/02/2020 14:46

I find the parallels between transphobia and anti-Semitism pretty atrocious as a Jew - it's deeply minimising of the realities of anti-Semitism and the Holocaust to suggest that transphobia is equivalent.

Point out to me when 6 million transpeople were brutally murdered within living memory, and you might have a point.

Until then, stop trying to piggyback off other people's tragedy. It's another example of the deliberate methodology of hijacking legitimate support for other people's rights that led to the adding of the T to the LGB.

The conflation is not accidental - it's cynical and deliberate. And not done by people who give a shit about Jews or LGB rights.

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